Thursday, 1 February 2007

UK Muslims in the News Again

Again British Muslims make headline news locally and internationally, yesterday the police arrested 9 young British Muslims in Birmingham, who the police allege were trying to kidnap a Muslim British soldier who is in the UK on leave, the plot is to kidnap him then behead him while being filmed then post the video on the Internet, how can anyone be this vile? how can anyone justify a horrible nasty crime like this and say they did it for the name of Islam? The accused were probably all born and raised in this country just like the London Bombers, I am finding it hard to understand how people that grew up in this society can have so much hatred and are prepared to carry out the most horrible crimes imaginable. The older Muslims in Birmingham are understandably in shock at what happened in their community and have rightly asked everyone to co-operate with the police, this brings to mind the subject of young Muslims in this country (men & women) being alienated and loosing their identity something which seems did not affect their parents, what I do not understand that there are huge Muslim minorities in other countries yet we never really hear of major crimes committed or plotted there, for example France or even the United States of America which has a large Muslim community, they never make international headline news. It seems it is mainly the UK that has a big problem with Muslims even though we have a very tolerant society here but it seems something went wrong and young Muslims are feeling left out and on many cases being accused of crimes that they never committed in the first place like in the now famous Forest Gate incident which turned out to be false and so many other arrests and accusations all over the UK that never came to court, many are suspecting that this new case is just another false accusation probably based on wrong intelligence yet again as this case sounds too gruesome to be true, on the other hand it might turn out to be real and that means the British authorities need to review their way of handling and treating young Muslims as it seems to be going completely wrong perhaps young Muslims should be made to feel safe, should be treated normally and maybe Britain can take lessons from other countries such as America on how to deal with this situation. Thank Allah if this plot was real it did not happen as it would have made the situation for us Muslims here a lot more harder, I pray that the British authority learn and support all minorities and that they manage to take away the feeling of alienation from young Muslim men & women that are turning to the wrong side of Islam it seems just to get an identity in this country, crime & terrorism will never give anyone an identity or a place in society.

20 comments:

Hannu said...

AL,

I'm not getting deep into this topic, but something struck me while reading your post. You repeatedly insinuated that, if the story is real, the police or British authority/system is to blame. How could that be? You are blaming them for the corrupt young Muslims in the UK? Aren't there other minorities in the UK in terms of religion and ethnicity? Do they show the same behavior the young Muslims do, do they demonstrate the same problems?

Who is closer to those young Muslims and could have a direct effect on their behavior than their parents and those others around them? The older Muslims, as you said, don't have the same problems, maybe because they didn't grow up with double standards and even more at some cases. I think the source of the corruption is much closer to home--could even be at home. Blaming others for one's corruption does not absolve one of their guilt and responsibility. Be objective and realistic, please!

AngloLibyan said...

hannu that is not fair, I have never blamed the British authorities for these crimes, all I said that the majority of young British Muslims are feeling alienated and that is true, some of these young people turn to crime or mosques that direct them in the wrong way, I simply meant the British authorities should try harder to integrate the young people and make them feel that they are part of this society, instead at the moment in Britain Muslims are being blamed for everything and young muslims are feeling they are to blame, my concern has even been raised by people in the government, that is to listen to yopung muslims, to make them feel more comfortable and to give them more sense of belonging to this society otherwise they will be grabbed by cults in a simillar way like you have in America.
I live here, I am surrounded by bad muslim publicity everyday, on the radio, on TV I am a law abiding citizen and will not allow this to affect me but to a young muslim feeling let down and blamed this can lead to crime.
The British have responsibility to look after and educate the young no mater what riligion.
so who is more realistic now??

Brave Heart said...

when i heard the news i dont know i remembered u directly AL. i know u will blog about this issue.i'm totally agree with u, young Muslims need help to integrate with this society,i lived in Birmingham more than two years now,all the young Pakistanis i met were angry about Iraq and fell this gov try to attack Islam in every where.even the treat of the press to any Muslim issue is diferent,that what make them angry .
hanno i think u take the west side more the muslim side of the picture ur analysis is not different from any western analysis and i think this is wrong,can u give a fair answer to all Muslims why west invade Iraq,why they let israil attack lebonen.not every thing brighting is gold hanno

Hannu said...

AL,

As I said before, I'm not interested in debating the issue; for one, I don't even live in the UK and am not familiar with the situation there. My comment was directed at your bias. You can't just point the finger at the British authorities. There needs to be somebody at the receiving end for anything to work. Is there?

BH, I didn't take any sides and am not going to. And definitely I am not one with any answers to anybody, you got the wrong person!

AL, if you allow me please, a friendly advice on the side to BH, if you're interested in engaging people in a debate, do not judge them--and definitely do not call anyone or anything that does not agree with you or your views "wrong." To each, their own!

programmer craig said...

Hi AL,

I think you may be on to something with British society, but I'm not sure exactly what that is. I think I recall reading Muslims are about 3% of the population of Britain. That's roughly the same as in the US. And I would think (this to Braveheart) that American Muslims have at least as much cause for resentment re: Iraq and whatever else as British Muslims.

Yet, it seems things are quite different in Britain, compared to the US.

AngloLibyan said...

Thank you hannu as ever for your valuable comments and I think I have shown on many posts how a minority of British Muslims in the UK are doing a lot of damage to Muslims more than anyone else and of course we are all entitled to express our opinions, that can not be wrong :o)

Brave Heart, you made a point as someone who lives here and knows more about the situation, politics is a very tiring subject, I do feel sorry for many young Muslims here as they have been under a lot of pressure but this should never justify violence, blowing up trains & possibly trying to behead a man is absolutely vile and wrong and will just make the situation even harder as it already has. Thank you for your comment.

PC, I think you are on the same track like me, this is exactly what I am trying to say and I did compare here with the USA.

piccolina said...

anglo.... i have a problem with your blog , wallahi i'm a good reader and i leave comments all the time but i don't know why i never find them !!!!
i click on publish and i check on it that it's there then when i come back to see if u read it ..BOOOM it's not there and u know i don't really remember how i commented when i read the post and i hate re-commenting !!
i'm pissed off , sorry

AngloLibyan said...

piccolina, blogger is driving me mad too, sorry about that which i cant help and thank you anyway as i know that you are a regular visitor.

Chatalaine said...

We need to stop blaming others for our own actions. It seems that the first thing we do is try and figure out whose fault it is that someone hurts another. The old way of cutting a thieves hand off as a punishment was harsh but I'll bet people thought twice before they would steal if the knew they will lose a hand if they get caught!

Today when we catch a bad guy we want to figure out who is to blame and then we want to "help" the poor misguided soul.

Anonymous said...

Hi AL,
I think it is a bad time to live in, but show me a time that didn't have its problems, I think the world and humanity faces more grave problems like climate change, poverty, health care etc, I hope this ongoing Mid-East/So called Terror problem etc can be solved justly and quickly!
One interesting aspect to all of this is Muslims in the UK compared to Muslims in the USA. There are some stark differences which I read about and saw on various reports on TV which tackled the same issue.
In the US Muslims and Arabs tend to be more educated and most of them tend to come from wealthy or a middle class background, contrast that to the Muslims in the UK, where they tend to come from relatively deprived back grounds.
In the USA, there is less racism, more integration and people who are nationals tend to feel that they belong more than they do in the UK. The USA is an immigrant country, so people don't feel too strange or estranged as they do in the UK.
The matter is very complicated and a lot of people feel angry and betrayed when it comes to the Iraqi and the long standing Palestinian issues, many of them take it up as a personal issue even when they see hundreds of "their kind" being slaughtered by the day. Many of these young people in the UK who live in relative deprivation and who are both alienated by society, and their families are easily manipulated by extremist views and see them as answers to their problems.
Its a huge problem and a complicated one, there are clear causes but also hidden or painful ones to admit both for the Muslims and the UK society as a whole .An ideal answer would be for the USA/UK to withdraw from Iraq, apologize for what they did and participate in an international solution to clear up the mess both in Iraq and the Palestinian lands. But would that happen any time soon realistically? I don't think so, the dynamics of the Middle East issues have lasted too long and are to complicated and I am afraid will continue for a long time. Do we sit still and let generations lose their opportunities and lives? No is the answer, moderates on both sides have to find solutions to integrate and help the deprived few.

I lived in the UK, and as AL mentioned I found it mostly a tolerant society, Muslims can practice their religion more freely and dignity than in many of the Arab countries today.
But there was a clear line of separation between Muslim and non-Muslim areas, and this "ghettoization" is also dangerous and prevents further integration and tolerance from the rest of the non-Muslim society. We have to admit as Muslims today, a lot of people fear our religion due to disinformation and ignorance which further fuels the alienation of some of these young Muslims.
A vicious circle, which has to be broken. As AL society has a role and a responsibility in doing this, but I think one of the most harmful things to do is to start the blame game, because that will lead to further resentment on both sides. Bottom line is, there is a problem, the question is what are the scientific causes and how do we tackle some of them?
A few answers maybe:
1-Education, both academically and religiously. 2- Economical improvement, lifting the deprived areas and creating a better standard of living 3- Political engagement and encouraging these people to participate in the democratic and peaceful political process to voice their frustrations and to participate and assist in finding answers to their concerns, be it domestic or international.
Many of these young people don't know how lucky they are to live in a free pluralistic society, but in order for them to feel this they have to embrace it and take advantage of the opportunities that this society gives them. Many of them live in poor enclosed ghettos and don't see these real opportunities.
The irony of the matter is that many young people in the Arab and Muslims countries would die for a chance to live and have opportunities and freedoms as their Muslim brothers/sisters who live in the west do, and many do crossing seas and borders to try to get to the UK or Europe as a whole.
A question that many Muslims face when living in the West face today is, how do we live in this Western country with out losing our religious values or identity? I think that could be done, and many decent people reach a balance and manage to live a fulfilling satisfying life, but many people don't realize this and always yearn for the false utopia of their original home land forgetting that they live in one in the west and their original home land is nothing as they imagine. Many people only realize this when they visit their original home land after many years and are shocked by the corruption, poverty, lack of liberty and low standard of living they see with due respect to some people or countries. They then realize how lucky they and their families are.

Any how sorry for this long comment, thanks again for raising this issues, and we hope all of us can learn from the points raised. God bless us all to peace and prosperity.
Beacon (Tripoli Nights)

AngloLibyan said...

Thank you Chatalaine for your comment.

Beacon, I think you put it very well as my post seems to suggest that I blame the authorities here when in fact im trying to suggest that the authority can help stop this problem in many ways perhaps exactly as you suggested.
Thank you for your comment and good to see you back :o)

Trabilsia said...

A lovely post Anglo!
BH does have a point, to which what goes around , comes around.Having lived in both countries for numerous years, I found the differences between the American Muslims and the Brits being more open minded (Americans) and better off ecconomically and intellectually.!
This younger Muslim(British ) generation finds itself without support and identity leaving the easiest way open for HATRED, hence the vicious circle.

As usual I mean no offence dear brother , just a matter of opinion and I thank you for bringing up such a good topic.

*This new blogger is driving me mad as well. I can't comment when I want to.

AngloLibyan said...

Thank you Trabilsia for understanding my point.

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