Friday, 16 March 2007

A Very Rare Picture of Libya's Exiled Queen


I found this very rare picture, it shows Queen Fatima, the exiled Queen of Libya with Mrs. John Tappin, the wife of the American Ambassador to Libya 1954 - 1958.
All my life I wondered what Queen Fatima looked like as I could not find any pictures of her anywhere so you can imagine how pleasantly surprised I felt to find a very elegant lady that was the Queen of Libya.


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Red Nose Day :o)


Today Britain goes Red Nose Day crazy, Red Nose Day is a fun day that is usually staged every few years and its for collecting money for charity, it is done with the help of Comic Relief, millions of pounds are usually collected to help the poor and disadvantaged here in the UK but mainly in Africa. It is something that the British public do best as they always prove their generosity by giving a lot of their money to this good cause. The money raised is split 2 ways, 40% goes to needy charities in the UK and 60% goes towards helping the poor in Africa.
Many organizations, businesses and schools take part in RND (Red Nose Day) its a day where you get to play jokes on your seniors and teachers, my children are taking part in their school, its a Uniform free day where kids can wear anything they want, it was strange driving to work seeing 100s of school children dressed in their normal clothes, many had red items on, some even had their hair sprayed red!
I am sure they will have a great day and I hope they manage to raise a lot of money for this good cause.

40 comments:

Sereeb said...

What a beautiful picture of the Queen Fatima Al-Shifa. I had the pleasure of seeing many photos of her through the Queen’s granddaughter S, my best and close friend. I’ve seen a recent photo of her and she is still very dignified and lovely.

Just compare her with Safia the wife of the biggest thief on the planet!! No comparison, ha just like comparing a well-bred and naturally beautiful horse with a naturally filthy skunk.
أين الثريا من الثرى

AngloLibyan said...

Sereeb you are so lucky to see these pictures, I do know her relatives in London who told me how most of the Libyan Royal family's belongings were destroyed by a mob that almost burnt everything. A large part of Libyan history just burnt, how sad and retarded is that?

You said it "No comparison"

white african said...

oh wow i dont think i have ever seen any pictures of the queen, thanks anglo for posting that up.

i was pleasantly surprised to see a plaque with the libyan royal crown in the Abu Ayub Al Ansar mosque in turkey as acknowledgment of the late kings contribution to the refurbishment of the mosque.

see that was when libya could hold its head up high, what has become of libya?, totally different, to have ayam al3iz again.

AngloLibyan said...

you are welcome whiteafrican.

in the 80s when I was studying in Oxford, the instructers there told me that Libyan students up until late 1960s used to be exempt from entry visa to the UK after their graduation, they could come & go when ever the wanted, the Libyan passport was one of the most respected passports in the world. Ayam Al3iz, will they ever come back??

Lebeeya said...

Aw, Queen Fatima was very pretty! So nice to see her. Thank you Anglo.

Ayam Al3iz?? Ya hasra!

You kids look very cute with red noses! Did you wear one? ;)

MaySoon said...

Thanks for sharing queen Fatima's photo..She is sure a lady!
Anglo, as you see I haven't comment for a while for some reason I can't comment on your blog from my home and no connection at the office! so finally I am at damoon's and enjoying the fast connection.. anywayyyy nice RN day :o)..

AngloLibyan said...

you are welcome Lebeeya.
If I wore a red nose to work today, my nose would be shown the door!!
no I didnt, they are not exactly bags of fun here where I work :o)

Maysoon you are most welcome.
do not worry about that, blogger can be silly.
I hope your teeth operation went well on thursday, or did you chicken out? :o)

Happymoi said...

Thanks for sharing the Queen's pic!!

Red Nose--sounds like a fun event!!!

DaMoon said...

ma7lahum bel red nose zayedhum enoss , hehehe,
lovely pic of da queen, why can't I be a queen? I've alwayz wanted to live the royal life hehehe jk
and Maysoon's operation is this coming thursday so rabna yster :)

AngloLibyan said...

happymoi Mabrouk the new blog :o)
welcome to my blog and thank you.

DamooN think of yourself as the Queen where you work :o)
and i am sure in your family's eyes you are more than a Queen.
Thanks for the kind comment and best of luck to Maysoon.

I am still waiing for my first comment by a male blogger ...lol..

DaMoon said...

you are more famous among gurlz it seems hehehe, it's either male bloggers r busy or don't use internet as much as female bloggers,...we should find the root of da problem

cofman said...

Nice photos ya Anglo,

to my eyes your children seem to have grown a lot in a very short time, haven’t they?

I love their temperament, I could easily see how content and happy they are – super kids in my opinion
( Cofman is male - a sad male lol )

Safia speaks said...

Sorry to spoil the fun, guys, but I´m not impressed. Beautiful she sure is, the woman called "Queen Fatima" but I do NOT believe in any "queen". Malik en-nas is Allah swt only, and no human being can rightfully claim himself king or queen. As far as I´m concerned, there is only One King and he has no queen. All that royal mumbo jumbo and kissing of hands and jalalala-business cannot impress me.

I much rather liked the entry on the Red Nose Day. What a funny idea, I didn´t know they did that in the UK. I know Fools Day on April 1 which is a day I´m always looking forward to!!!

AngloLibyan said...

Damoon I got one, cofman :0)

thanks cofman, kids grow so quick and their demands grow faster than them. They are lovely kids :o)

thank you Safia as always :o)
they do RND every few years and on the night BBC1 only shows RND comedy with many famous people even serious news readers sing and dance for charity.

mani said...

bismillah

male blogger comment no# 2 :)

1) I didn't really post anything for not wanting to look like the standard party pooper but Safia beat me to it :D. But yes I basically agree with her comment. Kingdom is only for Allah swt and human king/queen ship cant impress me too. no matter how pretty or elegant.

And I wish to also give another perspective to this 'days of 3iz' romanticism. what days of 3iz??? Libya, as a nation of people hardly knew it. the '3iz' enjoyed under the King's regime was the privilege of the few, mainly those wealthy residents of Tripoli who were well connected with the old Italian and American quarters.. while most of our people lived rough in relative poverty and isolation in rural villages and tribes.. and many still do... if you mean by '3iz' the abundance of material decadence.. sure.. My mother was the only one wearing a hijab in a culture which the mini skirt (mini-jib) drugs and other social deviances was rife in Tripoli..Those familiar with the aviation club, the American Wheelus air force base and the nautical club will surely recall what I am talking about. I'm also vary wary of stigma's that wish to idealise the past like it was some form of glorious era in which equality and civility reigned.. maybe it did.. but definitely only for a minority.. growing up in rural Libya I lived that poverty.. and hundreds more people can tell you.. this is not a defence of the current situation absolutely not.. but lets not forget that the first few years of the revolution.. Gaddafi HAD popular support.. and maybe we should account for the poor and marginalised of Libya who flooded in to Tripoli afterwards and the culture and tradition they brought.. aren't they Libyan too?

Damoon :) I don't know about other bloggers problems. .mines a combination of busy and forgetfulness.. I gotta say though although Anglo has some great posts I'm beginning to really consider writing as critically as I do because I feel that the discussion tends to just repeat conventional opinions and agreements rather than critical and informed debate which puts me off sometimes..

great post though Anglo as ever.. Ill send the essay tomorrow ;).. I'm off to brum to see the family

AngloLibyan said...

thank you mani, enjoy seeing the family.

I think some of us meant 3iz as in the country's good name & reputation, Libya was a relatively poor country until the end of the 60s.

Suliman said...

bismiblees

Mani: I have a hard time squaring what you say with known facts, even though that does not surprise me from a believer in the conspiracy theory.

For example, you wrote of the kingdom era, "My mother was the only one wearing a hijab in a culture which the mini skirt (mini-jib) drugs and other social deviances was rife in Tripoli.." Do you really believe that your mother, or any other woman, was the only one wearing Hijab in Tripoli at any time of Tripoli's history? Come on, man, get a grip! What about your aunts, grandmothers, and other female relatives, are you implying they were part of the mini skirt social deviants?

You also wrote that poverty was widespread outside Tripoli and added, "growing up in rural Libya I lived that poverty.." Again, another entry eminently qualified for the museum of the hard to believe. You grew up in rural Libya, but your mother was the only one wearing Hijab in Tripoli? Hard to believe. And it is even harder to believe that you experienced "that poverty" of the kingdom era, since you are only in your twenties now. The king had been deposed for more than a decade when you were born, so how in the world could he be responsible for any poverty you experienced growing up. Or did you have more than one life? Get a grip, man!

Let me say that I do understand and agree that some Libyans get too nostalgic about the kingdom era because as the saying goes, "After a person dies, his legs get longer." The kingdom had a lot of problems, no doubt. But the question is how bad were they in comparison to the era of the current criminal dictatorship? During the era of the kingdom, Libya as a state was never placed on any list of wanted terrorists. The king was never forced to confess to crimes against humanity. And the king was never forced to surrender to foreign forces. Yes, Libya had foreign bases, but they were out in the open, as was the opposition to their presence inside and outside of government. How many Libyans openly opposed the Gaddafi surrender? How many openly opposed Libya's terrorist training camps? How many opposed the spending of state funds on training foreign scum to join the so-called revolutionary forces?

You missed the point completely, mani. The comparison or contrast of now and then is a contrast of the conditions of the states, not necessarily the heads of state, although Gaddafi would not even come close in comparison to king Idris, and I say that despite my many reservations and objections to king Idris's rule. Idris was essentially elected by Libyans, Gaddafi never was. Idris was a constitutional monarch, Gaddafi is a dictator who enjoys something that the scum bags in Libya and abroad call "revolutionary legitimacy." Idris died a poor man in Egypt, Gaddafi throws Libyan cash literally on the streets outside of Libya for nothing but a personal publicity campaign. Get a grip, mani!

And let me add a few things about the Tripoli and the people of Tripoli that you know nothing about. Your mother was not the only one wearing Hijab. There were many women wearing Hijab, and in fact the majority wore the Farrashia before the bearded cultists forced the present style upon them. Libya saw its golden age of development in the 1960s and the afterburn of that continued into the mid 70s. Many Libyans became rich through hard work, not by affiliation with the Italians and Americans. They were competitors to the Italians, Jews, etc. The statements you make about Tripoli's self-made business people are an echo of the revolutionary scum literature. Look what happened as a result of acting on those idiotic slogans: A freeloader culture was created by a system that does not have a bloody clue about the creation of capital. Your popular Gaddafi and his culture never knew a damn thing about creating capital because they lived their entire lives as free loaders. Those bozos thought the whole problem of economic development had to do with distribution of wealth, but capital they think is always there. So they stole from Libya's true developers and gave to the lazy ass scum who descended on Tripoli from all directions. They created a free loader culture that expects to be on the dole forever and blames all of its ills on "foreign conspiracies." Get a grip, people! Look at them now, going frantic trying to deffuse the ticking time bomb. It is hopeless, and the boondoggle of development they try to create will never work as long as it is subject to the dictatorial whims of lazy-ass-bedouin-criminal dictatorship. Of course, there is no shortage of closet revolutionaries trying to jump on the band wagon of development and suck up to their new brother leader, who only happens to be the son of their former brother leaker. And people complain about monarchy? What exactly is Gaddafi's position, if not an absolute king above and beyond any reproach or even the slightes pretense of accountability? Get a grip, people. The little Islamist cutists slogans do not change the fact that Libya has a king right now, and that his prince sons are in charge without accountability, and that his prince son is being groomed to follow in the same footsteps, albeit with a different rhetoric and appealing to a different set of goons. It is no surprise to me that people should rely on Islam to object to a name/title as they overlook and gloss over the reality of what is in Libya. That does not surprise me because cultist Islam is nothing but an instrument of oppression and dictatorship. Under such a system, laws are only used to take people's rights but never to give them what they're due. Of course they are quick to resort to the cliches of reserving the title king to Da Lord, but they will not even hint to the position of Islam on dictators (Tughat), because the cultist literature contains nothing about reserving the title "Brother Leader" to Da Lord or his agents. Get a grip, people, please!

white african said...

the times of 3iz, in a sense when you compare it to now, there where problems then but can they compare to the on going probelms now?

evidently not, it would be naive to completly big up the kingdom but who would rather live under the geddafi regime?

cofman said...

Anglo, can you remind me please
Your son’s name; Amir, right? Is it 3amir, or Prince?
and his sister, what’s her name?

in school, do they go on-line, familiar with the net? or too early for their ages?

only curious

Brave Heart said...

i think all of us agree libya living in its darkest days since 76 till now,but in the mean time the kingdom days was not perfect 100% or even 70%,because if it was good gadafi can not take the country in such action like whats happen 69.
other point i have , its impossible to say libya was good because the king or libya is bad because qadfi libyan people have big role in this equation,and i'm sorry for saying that libyan people are ready to play the dirty game more than clean and effective game, do u think if qadafi die tomorrow libya it restore its potential, i dont think so.
i think our role now is not crying about the past ,our role is how we can build our future, how we can draw a good future for the new generation , not just say qadafi is shitan and king is angle.

about hejab issue, i think mani's mother is the same generation of suliman and that generation the hejab was not spreading as know,and its absolutely true the generation before mani's mother and suliman were all wear frashia we called in benghazi GARED ,i read many old magazines and it shows that all girls were without hejab, and i remember most of my teachers were not wearing hejab, but this doesnt mean they were a far from islam its issue of knowledge, and the SHWA was start in 80s when the hejab start spreading.
i appreciate this dialogue its healthy and can give indication about how we can deal with our different ideas and view with full of respect to each other.
so many thanks AL.

mani said...

We Muslims are accustomed and encouraged to begin anything with Bismillah, rather than in the name of Satan

If your still in a huff about 'conspiracy theories' its cause you still toe the party line. If you want to discuss 'conspiracies' Ill be happy to discuss the facts with you. Don’t just tout the infamous 'conspiracy theories' label though without debating some facts! cause if your just gonna dismiss it as conspiracy theory what can I say?.. if your gonna continue throwing mud you'll always win..

I apologise its my fault that you understood me wrong when I spoke about my mother. What I meant to say was "My mother was the only one wearing a hijab throughout her secondary (thanaweyya) girls school (its in bel kheir cant remember the name) in a culture which the mini skirt (mini-jib) drugs and other social deviances was rife in Tripoli" I figured that I missed the school part and it sounded like there were no hijab in Tripoli, so yea.. you had a point there. But yes she was the only one.. and no my aunts weren’t wearing it.. and I never said anything about any time in Tripoli's history… and mini-skirts I used as just a symbol of the wave of western copy-catt'ing that was going on in Libya… because my original point considered '3iz' as a form of material decadence.. and I understand the word '3iz' in an Islamic light.. that’s all…and not ur influenced understanding of Islamic state hegemony as 3iz either.

And if my aunts got an Islamic teaching but wore mini jib yes Id regard them as social deviants.. alhamdulillah they didn’t.. I'm not a double standard fool for anyone..

What exactly is hard to believe? You are making assumptions like u know my life story! Well lets thrash that museum for you. My dad is from msellata. My mother is from Tripoli. I was born in Khoms. I said I grew up in that poverty and I did… Considering I came to the UK when I was 9 and went to school when I was 5.. that’s 4 delightful years of memories. My mother was hearing the Hijab in Tripoli before I was even born! We lived for the first 4 years in msellata and then in Tripoli in seedi khleefa. Mum and Dad built that house with the help of 2 cousins and two senagalese workers.. our poverty followed us all the way to the UK when we lived in the slums of Glasgow while dad lived 100 miles away and we couldn’t see him months on end studying will mum took care of 6 kids on a measly men7a of 900 pounds a month for 6 years running.. you know I could go on for ages and talk to u about a poverty that you may not even grasp the dimensions of, especially if you could dismiss it with such haste… and you say I don’t know it? have u ever been to msellata.. or some parts of Tarhuna.. or 3'ot el roman.. or gasr khyar or soq al khamees.. do u even know ur country?.. people still live semi nomadic even there.. the poverty that I am talking about still exists to a large degree.. I go back every year and live contentedly amongst my poor family.

Go read my post again and point out where I said that King Idris was responsible for the poverty… I didn't at all... all I said was that I'm wary of people's nostalgia about the past like it was a golden era where civility and equality reigned… and I pointed out that it didn’t. It didn't then it doesn't now so lets drop the whole "sigh and reminisce" look. I'm not saying that it does now hell no! Your just very selective about what u read cause the words directly after that were: " this is not a defense of the current situation absolutely not".

Rather than attack my person (which u obviously do not know) why don’t u get back to the facts. Was poverty widespread outside Tripoli?

I can at least thank you for agreeing with me about the nostalgia. I myself don’t know any of the Kingdom's problems (which u say no doubt) so Id love to know some of the problems. Only when we know can we compare, or have a basis for comparison. Let me say this once and for all. Libya has never been a state. In fact, Africa has never seen formal 'statehood' as is theorized in the books of philosophers and political theorists of the west. Um before you start jabbing that’s not a conspiracy, that’s academic discourse and I can give u a hundred sources to chase up. And even if it was a 'state', it was only so, and only has been so by virtue of international recognition after WWII (Libya was the first country in the world to declare independence through the UN), NEVER, by the legitimation of the entire populace of Libyan territory… you'd agree if you agree that formal democratic statehood entails "representation by taxation"… so who did the Kingdom represent.. who does Gaddafi represent?? if were talking democracy, both are null….Idris was a constitutional monarch? .. Idris was elected by tribal leaders, not Libya's population all thanks to the great leadership role the Sanusi family played in fighting the Fascists. Gaddafi was propelled and supported into power by the UK and US. His revolutionary committee rode into power on two platform, which at the time, DID give him popular support (not mine. please don’t twist that and put words in my mouth.. who said anything about my support?). The first was Islamic reform, armed with, yes, what you call 'cultist Islam' (if by that you mean wahabi tradition.. and the majority of the population who were behind him felt that the city of Tripoli, where wealth and power were concentrated was beginning to represent neither their culture nor their religion). The second was Pax Arabica. Do you know why? Cause it was going to make Libya a socialist, totalitarian culture (precisely what we see now) and the US felt that it was in it's interests to support Gaddafi rather than the monarch cause Idris's democracy would hurt US economic interests in the region by allowing Libyans access to their own resources. The US didn’t expect Gaddafi to go on an ego campaign and nationalize their assets, nor expected that he'd do a 'lone ranger' in the world and that he was going to go solo and try his hand at 'statecraft' and so focused for the next 30 years to punish Gaddafi and Libya as much as possible.

You know. YOU are missing the point. My only frustration is with a concept that says 'LIBYA' was golden before Gaddafi. Even if it had the potential to be materially golden that would still be a farcical cover, hiding under it tense and fissured divisions across ethnic and tribal lines, ready to blow at any given moment (your ticking bomb thesis). Look at the size of the country and look where the wealth was concentrated, then tell me about equitable distribution. AGAIN IM NOT DEFENDING SOCIALISM OR GADDAFI.. I'm just saying the poor that flocked in to Tripoli, which u speak of with great disdain had legitimate grievances.. so they lacked the induction into civilization… but is that their fault??? Or the fault of an institution that was called the 'state', and was drawn up for us by colonialists who had an entirely different modes of social organizations and instituions.. based on entirely different historical experiences..(feudalism>monarchism>industrialization>modernism)

You know, I don’t care about Idris, Gaddafi, Bush or any other damn tyrant. I hate talking about people in power generally cause I feel that’s really their main job. To distract us from shifting the blame onto ourselves and scapegoating them. Ok take Gaddafi away what does that leave you with? It leaves you with a civil war and a culture that has decayed and deteriorated. Please don't insult me by saying he is My popular leader honestly your bigger than that! I like to consider myself a pacifist, who tries to look at the core of the problem in the hearts and mind of the collective group rather than the representative power cause I belive that’s the only way to a solution. Im sooo tired walahe of hearing people diss Idris, Gaddafi, his sons, their cousins, their tribe, his family, his wife, his daughter, the guys in the mou2tamarat, the guys in lajna, the guys in the tas3eed,the guys in the jam3iya, the guys robbing the companies, the guys in the tents, the guys in the TV and radio, the guys in the press, the guys robbing the banks and alllllllllllllllllllll their women and apparently thieving wives too….. that’s almost the entire country man.. walahe that’s no recipe for solution at all.. Im soo tired walahe.. I don’t wanna inherit the vengeful and sour attitudes that felt it was robbed power at a time and is still bent on reclaiming it through either violent revolution or nada (telk ommaton gad khalat, laha ma kasabat walakom ma kasabtom, wala tos2aloon 3amma kano ya3maloon).. I walahe know about the ramification and social stratifications that result from corrupt distributive socialist systems. Ive never read a piece of scum literatrure as not to infect my mind (it would be just like reading orwell's newspeak). I myself study economic development and understand the dynamic of markets and how they function. My statements come from hours and hours of reading opposition groups and listening and taking notes from people's lives. How can I trust your opinion if you dismiss the majority of Libyans (cause most of tripoli's residents now are definitely not indigenous) as "lazy ass scum who descended into Tripoli from all directions" how is that ever going to help bring about a culture of democracy, productivity and hopefully civilization??.. just tell me how? Or do you not care?.. lay people should be lay people! Touz?

Gaddafi is not alone in being above reproach and accountability. If you wanna be fair, then all tyrants of the world including every single American president and British Prime Minister since the WWI at least have been above accountability and if there was any fairness in the world, then we'd see a lot of executions.. but the world ain't fair cause the people ain't fair.

You know.. It shakes me everytime to read you employ that term 'Islamist'.. its definitely not one that circulates with muslims.. and its really worrying as to where u get your perspectives from. Just cause we say bismillah, or use ayat from the Quran or are faithful to some of the teaching in any way u seem to raise your nose and jeer at our Islamic principles. You assume, just cause we employ these terms that we fall neatly into the propaganda line fed into ur American minds by your PR machines about muslims, and really you give us no credence or a chance to actually be muslims and disagree with the vile and oppressive modes certain tyrants who call themselves Muslims wish to brand the religion of peace with. Indcidentally with full help and support from your democratic USA (talking about Saudi here in case ur missing it).. Ill give you a quick example of the hypocracy and how we can still retain our islam while doing away with ur bigoted stereotype:

You know, America enjoyed nothing more than to help the Saudis spread wahabism and indoctrinate the muslims into thinking that they cant take business loans from banks with a fixed interests rate from the bank.. just so that the millions of muslims are discouraged from entrapenurial investments and so on. Although it's stipulated in the quran that this form of business is Halal. I quote from scholar ahmed sobhy mansour:

إن الحكم القرآني صريح في أن الربا حرام على الاجمال " وَأَحَلَّ اللَّهُ الْبَيْعَ وَحَرَّمَ الرِّبَا " والبيع هو سلعة في مقابل مال أما الربا فهو بيع المال بالمال أي شيء يختلف عن البيع المتعارف عليه ، والقاعدة القرآنية أشارت للفرق بين البيع الحلال والربا الحرام ، وقد ألمحت الآيات من خلال الحث على الصدقة بديلا عن إقراض المحتاج بالربا إلى أن هناك استثناء بالنسبة للنوع الآخر من الربا حين يكون المحتاج للربا ليس فقيرا جائعا وإنما تاجرا مستثمرا .وجاء ذلك الاستثناء صريحا في قوله تعالى " يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آَمَنُوا لَا تَأْكُلُوا الرِّبَا أَضْعَافًا مُضَاعَفَةً وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ (130) " .فالفوائد المركبة حرام وهى عادة ما تكون في ربا التجارة حيث يكون الأمل كبيرا فى الربح وتعويض الفائدة المرتفعة .
ويقول تعالى " يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آَمَنُوا لَا تَأْكُلُوا أَمْوَالَكُمْ بَيْنَكُمْ بِالْبَاطِلِ إِلَّا أَنْ تَكُونَ تِجَارَةً عَنْ تَرَاضٍ مِنْكُمْ : النساء 29 " .والربا في التجارة يدخل ضمن أكل أموال الناس بالباطل المنهي عنه إلا أن الاستثناء جاء بتحليله إذا كان عن تراض . ومن الآيتين نعرف أن القرآن استثنى من تحريم الربا ربا التجارة إذا كان عن تراض ولم يكن أضعافا مضاعفة بفوائد مركبة .

What do YOU know about the creation of Capital? What do you know about credit windows? What do you know about Exchange rates and the abolition of the Gold Standard by the Federal Reserve and the commodofication of the US dollar, as the basis for all exchange rates, just because it has military hegemony to secure that peteoluem resources are traded in the petrodollar. You see, the creation of capital was something back in the day yes.. but those days ended by 1930 and the first stock market crash, when it was backed by gold and instruments of value.. but now.. we are in the phases of Fiat Capital Usury my friend.. every banknote that circulates this earth is worthless.. our international forex system is entirely based on reba and so7t now and is facing imminent collapse.. a formula mixed with globalization and state regulation will insure the slow but painful transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich.. I'm not speaking from a Libyan perspective here.. I'm speaking from a British one... and relate to the greviences of my fellow poor students and working class youth.. our knees in debt and we are only in Uni.

And for your info, they are not going frantic at all.. it’s a slow, measured and well calculated process.. for the west, if Gaddafi can make good on his promises for investment and opening up.. they’ll love him.. they don’t give a damn about the suffering of our people.. Except maybe the good people that work in amnesty or human rights watch or reporters without borders.. but that’s it.. but you know.. maybe u don’t give a damn abut the suffering of our people too.. maybe what's really hurting (and this is what I seem to get from you) is the 'lost opportunity'???

Im not gonna debate most of your other questions cause I agree with them. But they are merly observations. They describe the symptoms rather than the causes, and will inevitably lead one in a vicious circle of blame and after a while dejection and resentment, followed by apathy and disengament. But you know what they say.. there's a fine line between complacency and complicity.

I do thank you for your comments though ya suliman and I am grateful that you are up to debate this as it’s the way I love to learn and learn forcefully.. only under pressure do I find the mind is hitched up a few gears for more constructive thought!

Salam for now and I hope to hear from you soon
P.S we still have to have a go at those 'conspiracies' 

mani said...

Bismillah,

Brave heart.. you eloquent person .. u wrote in 100 words what I tried to do in 2000 lololol..

But thats exactly what was running through my mind.. thank you very much :D (beaming!!!)

cofman said...

Is the population of a country responsible?
Are the people of a country guilty or innocent when the country goes down?

Here is a school with 1000 students,
the failure rate is way above average
Health of the students very poor
Teachers aren’t encouraged to help, and often punished when they try
Salaries aren’t paid on time
The school is out of control
Everyone is demoralised
The Headmaster is powerless because the students can replace him any time, and it is legal

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Thank you Suliman mani whiteafrican braveheart & cofman for the contribution.

cofman, my kids go online at school and at home (both supervised) they even google when looking for something :o)
their names are: عايدة & أمير

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inshalla yitrabbo fi 3iz mama o baba
( what I like about all their photos: they aren’t smiling for the camera, you know, or saying ‘ cheese’, .. they are natural )

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