Tuesday, 6 March 2007

Working in Libya

Of course I have mentioned before that I am like many others thinking of returning to Libya hopefully in the near future and that decision depends on how easy it is to set up home and find a job and schools for my kids..etc... This will be a major step for me so you can understand how I felt when I read the following article written by an American who works in Libya and has experienced what its like, I mean knowing Libyan people, most of them would respect a westerner/American quite a lot probably more than I would get if I go back yet there he is complaining about what he experienced, although I have never worked in Libya as I left when I was young, I have a feeling that what he wrote about is not far from the truth, I hope I am wrong but unfortunately his story is quite familiar and many have experienced similar stories, I just hope people would stop & think, is this how we want our country to be? are people prepared to change some of their habits so that our country improves and joins other countries that have over come these problems or is that just wishful thinking from me? I will leave you with some of what he wrote and let you decide if he was right or not:
"As usual in this country, relying on the locals for anything related to a time line is worse than hopeless. Repeated delays due to lack of planning, general stupidity, and an inability to understand the concept of respect for another's plans make working in this country unbearable sometimes. Don't get me wrong, the people are great, but you just can't depend on them for anything "on time." Having spent seven months here now, I can tell you there's reason this country is considered third world. Imagine a society where no one congratulates you on hard work, rewards extra effort, or recognizes true initiative in a person. Now apply that moral characteristic to whole countries' labor force and you begin to see the ramifications it has on technology and innovation. No matter how hard you work here, no one is going to promote you to something else unless you're related to the boss. No amount of skill gets you a "good job Mohamed," or anything else like that. Living in that environment, these people have adopted a "I just show up and do what I'm told until I can't do that anymore, then I stand around twiddling my thumbs" attitude. Simply put, these people just don't give a damn.... about anything. They're not interested in furthering their own lives because they have no concept of the capitalist momentums that are ingrained in Americans by age 6. In America, we all have small jobs as kids, earning money by mowing lawns, etc. We are reward oriented in the fact that parents give their children a treat for doing really well on a test in school, or something similar. That mentality carries over to our adult lives as well. When we join the work force, those of us with a drive to succeed will work harder to earn that possible Christmas bonus, or get a promotion, etc.
Here, none of that applies. In fact, last month a British friend of mine I've met, who runs the accounting division of an oil-related company paid a Libyan man here a small bonus for actually going the extra mile and surprising her with his efforts, coming in on his days off to get work completed, etc. The first thing she found out was that the other locals shunned him because he's working too much, doing more than they feel is necessary to get the job done. The second thing she was hit with was a line up of Libyans with their hands out, ALL expecting bonuses equal to his. There is no reward system here, so to them it means that they all get more money this week because Joe-blow got the job done faster. Even the concept of personal reward is alien to these people.
The reason I believe it will never change is due in large part to their religion. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the words "En Sha-allah." It means "if God wills it." Basically, they apply this to every single facet of their lives. We will get you on a plane sometime, Mr. Tommy En-sha-allah. Yeah, really? Friggin amazing. I absolutely LOVE the culture here, the people, the society itself, but when you're talking about working in it, it's ludicrous. I'm slowly working on becoming self-sustaining, procuring my own vehicle so I can drive, etc. Relying on these locals for transportation has cost us thousands of dollars, no.... tens of thousands of dollars in wasted payroll and per-diem because we have to sit around and wait for days and days and days to get things done. To date I've been in this country 24 days. I checked my journal today to see how many days I've actually NOT worked because we can't get anything done due to Libyan stupidity... ten days. That's ten days of lost work in three weeks because we have to wait on Libyans to quit scratching their ass long enough to sign for a driver, or whatever".


Beacon said...

All that was said is painful but very true. Most people have no work ethic, and the main one if there is one is to get as much as possible for as little as possible. If any one works hard than he is treated like kids treat a nerd at school! The person who works hard is shunned and is treated in a bad way, thus they stop working hard and become like the rest.
Nepotism is rife and is expected and is done blatently with no shyness.
These are all problems that will be very difficult to get rid of, but they will have to be sorted if the country is to improve.
Even people in responsibilty recognize them, and I think they are at a loss on how to solve these issues.
Its gonna take time and will need hard work and discipline to solve.
I don't agree with the writer regarding the religion bit, it has nothing to do with religion, its the culture and the environment. As I said it will take time and discipline.

piccolina said...

all what has been said pissed me off ,being like this "as he said" no one cares about improving to a better future is cozed by only one reason which is nothing is being for sure , u can work hard and hard then boom they kick you out and don't worry they'll have a good reason to shut you up !
what he said wasn't really true , he is talking about like only 50% of the libyans "over 30 years old", especially the old ones , the new generations are all good in work or they never find jobs in good places !
the man who wrote that blamed the people , i would like to say he is wrong , he should blame the system that control the people !
UAE people are not better than AT ALL , but they know how to organize things , dubai airport's boss is an english man ,why ? simply coz they know how to lead , the workers are indians and phili.. why ? coz they are hard working people ,the gulf people gain the money and control it which is the best way !! i was amazed by all that coz the airport is soooo huge but wayy too organized !
saying inshallah has to be with any verb talks about the future , i know some people over say it .

the time factor is a big deal here , we have no respect for it and that is a problem for me coz i'm always ready before the time while no body is realy !!

anglo.. it's good to read what people say to know what is going on but i would like you to think more , i mean we don't even know where does he live and where does he work ??

i know lots of non libyans who just love being here and don't wanna go back to usa or any other country

Safia speaks said...

I really don´t understand this guy. You can still be a capitalist and relaxed about the same time.
In fact, whenever I am in Libya I feel very relaxed. There is no stress except when things are moving; then everybody has to move fast.

The Western attitude was a big problem when I was working as a guide for foreign tourists. The Germans were the worst. Example: they asked me what time the bus for Leptis Magna left. I told them "Dunno, maybe 8 o clock". Next morning I went to the cafeteria to have breakfast and saw a line of German tourists standing in the sun. "What are you doing?" - they said: "It´s almost 9. Where is our bus?"
I tried to tell them to go get breakfast with me, meybe the bus will come soon and don´t worry, we are going to Leptis sooner or later. Relax!
But they couldn´t relax! They needed to know what, when, where, who and sometimes also why.

Tourists from Italy or Portugal were much more easy to deal with. Aboriginal Australians never gave me any problems in Libya!

True, Libyan society could prosper much more if people were moving like in the US, but US working mentality (and definately NOT German, either) simply does not fit into Libyan culture. It´s always been like this.

Tell me, how many heart attacks due to stress are there in Libya? Compared to the US or Europe?

The thing about not getting a "well done" from the boss at work is not true. Maybe that guy just ran into a bad experience..?!

DaMoon said...

my boss "American" told me story he was told by another boss "Libyan" who works for a Libyan corporation...the story goes; 3 guys, American, European and a Libyan found fanoos they rubbed it and the mareed came out to ask them for their wishes, he can grant them any wish under one condition and that is the neighbour gets twice as much. da American thinks and says give me one million, so the gene gives him a million and his neighbour 2 millions, the European says I want a palace, he gets one his neighbour gets two, then comes the Libyan dude turn he thinks deeply and finally says, poke out one of my eyes!!!
ok! so how am I supposed to react to that!! when half the time I witness this type of jealousy going around among Libyans, type of why not me? so what if he/she did a great job we all can do it, no appreciation, well not everyone of course but it sickeness me to see Libyans in big ajnabi companies doing all these stupid childlish acts when we can prove to the world that we are one hand one blood wanting to improve our country!! I think it's a complete different issue but everyone should start simple, be on time, be nice, be supportive and be positive, once expats sense that we are that way among each other they'll learn how to respect and appreciate our beautiful Libya

A.Adam said...

Hi anglolibyan another good post and i was expecting another thing like the reaction over your new look with the glasses.
work in Libya is very different from Private work or public work with the government. i know how do you feel when your boss doesn't appreciate what you've done or what you achieved he will say Good work and how did you do that? for the first time I loved to share my knowledge with him and everyone at work so they can use it too and think to improve our works but after few days I regretted because they showed to me their real faces and so simply they told me we don't need anymore X can do your job just like you, OK I sit back to my chair waiting for the moment when they show up again asking for help, not for long time and I become the number one the most person who have the strong relation with the BOSS, of course no Promotion for my work or anything will encourage you but I used my mind to take my Boss beside me even though his ridiculous decision which he took lately first month of this year. But I feel comfortable in my work, of course with out giving everything to him or anyone else, if they need me they will call me.
if you want to work in Libya expect everything because every one here want to play the Boss role, so be the Boss.
have a nice day

Highlander said...

I had read this guy from Scooby central a few days ago and left him a comment that I shall be getting back. I'm glad it was you AngloLibyan who picked up on that thread :P

I thought I better count to ten before I say anything I regret LOL.

Anyway working attitude here in Libya varies wherever you are and yes I work very hard and have similar experiences to share.
I agree with Beacon I wanted to tell the guy that ít has nothing to do with our religion !

I do hope you will return one day and help in making Libya a better country , if all the good people are here I'm sure we can effect an improvement in the laissez faire ...

I think I know what that American is doing here :P

Anonymous said...

Hi AngloLibyan... I know that in your deep heart you want to go back to Libya. But wait ..what this man wrote, most of it is right...i ll give you a piece of advice...if you have the will to go to Libya, first...go to LIbya for one month or two it depends on you...go alone without your family...study the people's atmoshphere...see how they think ...how is the business goes there and jobs...and then make your mind...

And Finally i know that you will find yourself coming back to England without going back Libya...I am a Libyan. I am doing master's degree in the UK...self-fuded...I would like to stay here and work but i cant leave my father and mother alone there...i am almost finishing my studies...after that i am going back inshallah...i had to...

so i wish luck ...All the best

Just Face the Reality

Brave Heart said...

nice topic as usual,i'm sorry for saying that what this guy said is true, i have experienced this situation for 4 years and i know the work environment in Libya and the labour and the management mentality,
the problem in Libya is complex, it's mixture between social and political and systematic problems.Libyan labours always feel that their salary is not fair for them and always compare themselves with gulf people, they need high salary without any efforts,and he cannot motive you as his manger to increase his salary or give him promotion,and if u give a promotion other start to complain and start to make problems to this guy,my department with mixed between Libyan ,Arab, and African,in 4 years i think i sack Libyan guy every month for his bad habit and in these 4 year i think i sack just 2 Arab and African, the mentality is big problem, the problem is that most of libyan need money without efforts and they need to be like Kuwait,Dubai not like Japan or malyasia,they jest need to spend money.
all foreign mangers have this misunderstand for Inshallih ,cos when he order or requst any thing the libyan guy tell him inshaalih and nothing happen that is why they link between the bad habits in the job and the religion and it's our duty to explain to them and start change our people to do the best .

MaySoon said...

Ouch! Painful but some how true, I agree with Beacon & Highlander, nothing to do with the religion, and with Piccolina that not all Libyans are like that. For those who say InshAllah (if they mean MAYBE) they are really making it sound bad. Like yesterday in our staff meeting, I had to explain to the expats that Inshallah doesn't mean "MAYBE" I tell them we say it in case something might happen as in a force majore!! Anyway hard to make them understand it since almost every thing they’ve heard the Inshallah about never happens!
Talking about “deadlines” is another story, the guy is right, you can’t relay on most Libyans (again not all) to finish the work on time, also SOME will ask “what is in it for me?” or “why do I care?” well it is okay to be reward-oriented but don’t ask (I mean beg here) for it! Be a hard worker and achieve it.
However, less-hard-worker colleagues pick on the ones who are doing their best, and are too childish (their acts that is) about it, and if your boss likes you for your work and your efforts wait and see how you're going to be treated and stabbed at the back (hey females are the BEST at this) lol

You can say that "qanoon el3'aba" is now ruling.. it's also a matter of our social life and things we face growing up all that created the "I can't care less" attitude.

Good luck for every one, I hope we can all make Libya a better place for ... Every one!

AngloLibyan said...

I thank each & everyone of you for your contribution to this topic, I feel I can not comment as I never worked in Libya.
perhaps what Piccolina mentioned about the new emerging generation of Libyan hard workers is the solution to this problem. also I like what DaMoon said "everyone should start simple, be on time, be nice, be supportive and be positive"
However I can comment on the working mantality of Libyans living abroad or in the UK, the majority of Libyan men here do not work and rely on social security to support them, I know for a fact that many have never had a job even though they are in their 30s & 40s the reason is that because they all want an office job and to be bosses even though they have no experience what so ever, none are prepared to do hard manual work, they will not take many jobs because according to them they do not pay enough, generations of British born Libyans grew up seeing their parents at home doing nothing, saying that there are many other Libyans that are hard working people that have good working experience but unfortunately they are not the majority. I agree with some of you that said many Libyans want to earn a lot of money but do not want to work hard and want to be bosses sitting at desks!

Lebeeya said...

Interesting article but what the American wrote doesnt apply to Libya ONLY, it applies to most Arab countries :)

I don't blame the sha3ab for how corrupted our country is. There is no system, no rules, no law. If the government isnt taking things seriously, how can we expect the sha3ab to?

.. but nevertheless we cant forget that our beloved country is getting better year by year. Look at Libya 5 years ago and look at it now! Inshallah soon they will open NEXT, Promod, Mango, Spring, and MEXX shops :)

Al-Pasha said...

If you wish to follow what goes on in Libya today you ought to visit these sites which carry articles, news and excellent analysis in both English and Arabic:

It is a great country.

AngloLibyan said...

Lebeeya, others have mentioned that the system is to blame, I do agree with that, the system needs to be upgraded but still I think people share the blame.

thank you al-pasha, I am a regular visitor of all the websites you mentioned and more.

Gheriani said...

Well it's the Libyan IBM enigma of -Inshallah, Bokra, Ma'aleesh-, but he's exaggerating a little bit. And yes religion isn't to blame it's us and our character defects due to the lack of early correct education and, etc..etc..sigh.

Trabilsia said...

A good one Anglo as always MashaAllah Alleck !
Now for the topic ,like all topics there is some truth but not all. It depends on which way you look at it and how much you are willing to compromise.
The system isn't to blame, it's our people who have to better themselves in the way they behave and think. This all takes time and patience

DaMoon said...

Leebya we have Mango now..lol I can't wait for them to open up H&M

Trabilsia said...

Damoon ,
Do you mean Mango at the Seeyahia???
It's been open since Ramadan!!

AngloLibyan said...

thank you Gheriani & Trabilsia for your input.

Trabilsia said...

sorry I msunderstood your comment. I'm going nuts here, a good one for you Anglo IYKWIM lol !!!!!

AngloLibyan said...

IKWYM Trabilsia :o)

Here is Mango in Tripoli

Lebeeya said...

I didn't know they opened a Mango in Libya. This is news for me. I know they have a Zara, but the collection they have is horrible and its over priced!

Damoon & Trabilsia, where do you buy your clothes from? Its so difficult for me to find clothes in Libya. Seriously, do they have any shops for tall girls? All the clothes I see are for the average height girl! Nothing fits me! Especially shirts, I have the longest arms in the world!! lol

mani said...

excellent article anglo! theres nothing like a great conversation starter..

first, I agree that this problem in Libya is severe. and yes the people do share the blame, but I think blaming people is never a formula to encourage and be a role model to people. The socialist style system we have lived in has moulded these attitudes significantly and the older generations have internalised these values. central authority really renders most departmental authority and innovation at low levels of the organisation obsolete. people cannot forward you on or complete your transaction because there is no delegation process.. authority is always centralised because its ad-hoc.. t dosent follow any rules or regulations.. government posts and jobs in most state owned companies (over half the workforce) are just a means to gain a little power and access to influence and maybe a chance at robbing subsidies. dependency on oil revenues is the cause and this has resulted in a culture where the entire economy is dependant on one source of income.. distribution becomes the only way possible for these people to think of income, rather than the creation of wealth through private enterprise.. but that has never happened because private enterprise was banned for a long time... and because of low wages and the culture of corruption that it generates then the only way people can effectively create an income is though the informal economy.. and that is an economy which the laws of the jungle.. there is no dedication to the work ethic in Libya because dedication to the work ethic will either get you demoted or harassed if you work in state companies or seriously bankrupt.. laws and justice is not upheld in Libya so people pay no attention to it.. to do so would be a formula for insanity or poverty.. the only thing that the mass of entrepreneurial society knows hwo to do is trade.. and they way they managed it was through laboriously and painstakingly circumventing official bureaucracy and relying on informal methods instead.. this was what worked.. and this was what got results for the impoverished people. while the elites squandered Libya's wealth on their own egotistical projects... of course that will leave everyone feeling sour, demotivated and dejected...

so yeas.. there is this culture that this American was talking about .. but once you can start seeing the causes.. solutions appear.. and I think there is a time of opportunity here.. 60% of Libya pop is younger than 25.. we need to use this opportunity to start our own business in tourism, education, trade etc.. we need to invest and start our ethic and walahe there are mashallah loads and loads of our fresh faced young geniuses who are fully motivated and up to the challenge.. diversifying Libya's economy is the way to go so I advise anyone going there.. if your going to get employed in a job.. .forget it.. start a business.. do it right.. have an idea...

there are loads.. all of us privileged in the west have a duty to do so.. and there's enough of us..

and i have one if your interested to discuss..

for now.. salam.. great post anglo..

AngloLibyan said...

thank you mani for your contribution to this topic.
if I decide to go back it will not be for a while yet and I would have to go for a visit first as I have not been there for about 27 years.
you are very welcome to discuss anything you want :o)

mani said...

your welcome Anglo. .27 years man... pheeeeew that's a long time! I've only ever lived 8 years properly of my life in Libya but recently I'm going back and forth at it like a saw to a tree.. I cant wait to get back get married and get involved, despite the demotivating nuisance of so many Libyans who I speak to hear and abroad who think me nuts. there a growing hostility even from locals for us young, educated and brought-up-in-the-west Libyans and I can see the reasons why. .we have more chances to get jobs and prosper in a new libya than they do and they feel like theyr'e being punished twice round so you'll find jealousy and a will to sabotage genuine effort rife in Libya. and that can really put people off from going back and I no many who went back for a test and hated the locals more than they hated the system. Our role has to be empowering to them by bringing education and business.. I am setting up a company right now that would target a new brand of tourism in Libya and integrate it into education. This is a project I have drawn up with some interested investors in Libya and my university colleagues who went with me to Libya last year for the summer to teach English and IT and research the market of 'ethical tourism'. (4 fresh faced english boys whom I love with my life. we had a great time living rough lol) the project is very ambitious. I also had the chance to work in the national economic strategy project that leads this new 'economic reform' agenda in Libya which has now become an autonomous board and they are interested in entrepreneurship activity, especially from professional Libyans living abroad who can run a profitable and socially productive enterprise.. the idea is to empower them with grants, loans and incentives to diversify the economy. In fact I am writing an essay right now on the issue of the role of the Libyan state and development and what we envision the outcomes to be so maybe you can let me post it on ur blog too .. riding n the back of your popularity bro lol...

salam for now

AngloLibyan said...

mani, something that would help our country and its people is something that I encourage, I wish you success in that difficult environment inshaAllah

T-T-Tommy said...

This my response to the original post on the other site, so I thought I'd copy it here.

Let me begin by saying three things.
1.) I am the man who wrote that original article.
2.) The libyan "people" are absolutely wonderful as a cultural society, however my point was that they lack initiative in the workforce.
3.) I wrote that as a journal to my friends and family back home, not as an online editorial of the libyan culture. lol.

Now, let me respond to some of the things I've seen in this thread.

Someone mentioned earlier, and it was repeated later, that the fact has nothing to do with their religion, which is basically true. I didn't mean to infer that the muslim religion says "It's ok to be lazy." However, the combination of a relaxed cultural system, along with a government who blatantly practices nepotism and fails to encourage hard work makes a really bad combination.

I lived there for most of a year, returning to America only about ten days ago. I would have never even have seen this blog if someone hadn't left a comment about it on my blog. (For which I thank them profusely)

Earlier it was mentioned that the younger libyan people have a drive to work hard, to succeed. I've seen this to be true. My number one assistant over there is a guy named Mohamed Torshi, a greay guy. He's 23 years old and he's a shining example of what the culture could become if given the leeway to do so. He has his beliefs and I believe he would be considered a "good" example of the muslim religion. He's devout, kind, sincere, and a great person.

However, he's also smart enough to see where the rest of the world is going. Don't compare them to the US like I did... I only compared them to the USA because it's the only other culture I know. Don't let this become a USA vs Islam conversation. It's not like that. The point i was making is that they're behind the entire rest of the civilized human world, not just the US.

And it's NOT the fault of the people. It's the fault of the government that rules the people, and the mentality of those in power, both economically and on the government level. That being said, it still doesn't change the truth that they dont get things done.. don't ever achieve forward momentum, due to the constrictions placed on them by the others. However at some point, you have to stop laying blame on others and find a way to succeed on your own, as person, for your future and the future of your family.

While i was there I worked for three different government agencies, consulted for a few national companies in Libya, and estimated projects for other consortiums that would all allow libya to JUMP forward into the furure. I'll give you two examples of what's wrong with the economic system (not the people) that won't allow them to catch up to the rest of the world.

One of these projects I'm working on was a hotel project. I may, in the future, have the opportunity to install wirless internet technology in every single hotel in Libya. This means we would be able to harness the telecommunications power of GPTC (the Libyan phone company) and install the equipment to US specifications, thereby greatly increasing the quality of the national telecommunications grid as a whole.

You know what's holding this up? The government's policy on paying their bills.... Companies and government agencies I've dealt with don't agree with the capitalist structures at all. One company has owed us money for over a year... but they just don't want to pay the bill. They agree that they OWE the bill, but how are you going to make them pay it? This has gotten so bad on a national level that no other countries' banks will issue a Libyan company a letter of credit. Well, if the corrupt government can't get credit from outside libya then how can they get international imports and projects to improve their infrastructures. The value of the libyan dinar outside of libya is absolutely zero, so their money is no good in america. In fact, it's a crime to take libyan dinar out of libya. So, let's lay this out there for you. 1.) Their money is worthless outside the country. 2.) Their reputation in the banking industry means no one will give them THEIR currency on credit. How can libyan companies get outsiders to help if money itself becomes an issue?

Based on that, how are you going to import trades and services?

Next issue. Nepotism. Dear Allah, I've never seen nepotism on the scale I have in this country. I mean, I knew it existed, but it's completely different to have to see it for yourself. People with no education and no skills are put in power in companies because they are the son, nephew, etc of some other manager higher in the company. It doesn't matter that there are a bunch of young, qualified people who would do a great job. Those people aren't related to the chairman. The libyan business system rewards familial ties and undereducation rather than rewarding someone who can actually make an improvement.

Third Point: Bribery. This one REALLY amazed me. I was working for a Libyan company, trying to install world-class hardware for them. The equipment sat in customs for over 3 months. Do you know WHY their equipment can't clear customs? Time and time again we went to customs to ask for our packages. Time and time again we were refused, told blatantly to get out, and then were threatened that if we came back, we'd never get our gear out of customer.
So, now I was scratching my head, thinking to myself "If I can't go there to get my stuff, how am I gonna get it?"
Without my knowledge, someone from my company, a libyan who knows the system, went back to customs. Later that day, a truck with all our gear that we'd been waiting for months on finally arrived! YEAH! We have our gear now.
I asked him how he got it? How could he have gotten it if we couldn't get it? Simple, he told me. He pointed to the one of the desks in our office and said "that guy who works there... well he will be needing a new laptop."

I was amazed. You had to bribe the customs officer with a new laptop? "No," he said. "I had to bribe him with a laptop, a new laptop bag, software, and a handheld PC... so I'll be needing a new handheld as well."

THAT is how things get done in Libya!

Now that I've learned that particular lesson, it's easy to get stuff out of customs now... just remember to pack extra gear that you can replace, because the customs official is going to require a "gift" from you in order to get your gear. It later came to my attention, that in the three months I was there that time, 7 more handheld PC's were necessary to get all our work done.

The Libyan people are amazing, wonderful, kind, and charming. But unless they can somehow rise up on their own and make their system change from within, Libya will never be part of the rest of the world. We outsiders can't affect the kinds of change necessary to bring Libya to the new millenium. Indeed, even if we COULD, we SHOULDN'T even try. That would be too much like what we are doing in Iraq now, forcing our ways on other people. But the people in Libya who want to succeed, the new generation of Libyans, have a long hard road before them if they want to help Libya get out of the dark ages.

PS: Mani, I'm interedted to know more about what you do. I'm an american and I have lead 3 IT teams over there in the past. I really love the people, and I'm intrested in continuing in the country. Maybe opportunities will arise. Drop me a line if you're interested. Alornmage@gmail.com.

AngloLibyan said...

btw Tommy this is the original site,they others just re-published it.

AngloLibyan said...

Dear Tommy, thank you for visiting and for your very valuable comment.
I am sure that you know from the response to this post that no one got offended by what you wrote, if anything the majority agree with you.
all the points you mentioned such as nepotism & bribary are unfortunately profound in Libya and as i mentioned before its the rotten system that needs to change maybe then people will start to improve.
I just want to thank you for writing about these issues, so many people have actually read it and few Libyan websites have published it, you didnt know that did you? :o)

here is another link


T-T-Tommy said...

Thanks for the comments, Anglo. I'll be sure to keep an eye on the post for future comments, as well as the rest of your blog.

And you're right, I had no idea my blog rantings would be published from country to country.. lol. It's an amazing thought, yet a sobering one. If I'm going to wind up with readers from across the globe, it makes me think that I should think before posting, and be sure to express my thoughts clearly... because I sometimes have a habit of blogging to relieve stress... lol. (Those posts are usually less thoughtful)

If you're interested, there are two labelled categories on Scooby Central, dealing with Libya only. You can get to them from the top left menu.

Thank you so much for the link on your home page. I appreciate it and I'll be sure to reciprocate.

Have you read KhadijaTeri's blog? She's an american woman living in Libya. Great lady and a great source of outside information.

When you get the time, email me or post me a message containing the following (in arabic if you can). If I'm going to have a few libyan readers, I'd like to offer them a proper welcome. So, I guess I'm asking for a translating favor. I'd like to say something like "Thank you for visiting my site. I hope you enjoy your visit. Peace upon you." (or something similar)

bye until next time.

AngloLibyan said...

thanks again Tommy
blogs are for expressing your thoughts thatswhat makes them interesting.

I have been readin your blog for some time, in fact I used to read posts about Libya written last year by an American lady (possibly April) and i used to enjoy the pictures as well.

KhadijaTeri's blog is a very well established Libyan/American blog that all of the Libyans enjoy and link to, in fact she was the reason behind the start of many Libyan blogs.

I will email you with your request soon.

mani said...


Salam to you Tommy :D

Of course I'll drop you a line mate I'd be delighted. I'll email you tomorrow since its really late right now and I got to travel early morning so tomorrow it is(Inshallah lolololol..I'll write in your blog too ;) weeeeee

I'm impressed and respect ur commitment and sincerity very much :)


Salam to you Tommy :D

Of course I'll drop you a line mate I'd be delighted. I'll email you tomorrow since its really late right now and I got to travel early morning so tomorrow it is(Inshallah lolololol..I'll write in your blog too ;) weeeeee

I'm impressed and respect ur commitment and sincerity very much :)

BuJ said...

aha.. interesting.. first time i read this post (and 1/2 way thru the long comments) but i think it's very true and like leebiya said this applies to the whole of the Arab world unfortunately.. i guess we got ourselves to blame.. reminds me with my reverse-cultural shock i blogged about ages ago.. which i think you will feel Anglo Libyan when you decide to move back home.


Let me warn you, the comments are more interesting than the post!


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