Friday, 8 June 2007

The Angry Sheikh

Today I decided to walk to Yousef Islam's hotel to attend the Friday prayers after last Friday's trouble finding a parking space, I walked with a colleague of mine, the weather was quite nice, when we got there the sermon had already started, it was given by an Afro-American man, a very angry man! he had some good points like why the women section was so small when there was enough space for a bigger section, he mentioned how mosques should be cleaner and more tidy but then he started to talk (I am sorry to say) Crap!, first of all his sermon continued well after 2pm when many people in there have to go back to their work, then he said that we all should turn up early to the hotel, pick up the rubbish, scrub the windows, tidy the garden and vacuum the carpet! I mean that might be OK if we didn't have other jobs and can afford to be there longer than our lunch hour, on the other hand while I believe the worshipers have a responsibility towards keeping a mosque clean but in the first place when people decide to open a mosque then they should organise the day to day running of the place, the cleaning and so on but unfortunately it seems here people open mosques and just keep on collection money but they don't do much when it comes to looking after the place and for this Sheilkh to try and tell us that we should do it, well I would like to see him polishing the windows first.
He then made a remark that I found very offensive, he had ago at Arabs in general which I can understand except not the way he said it, these are his exact words: "ALL young Arab men go out and play football while ALL older Arab men have big stomachs and do nothing but sit at home watching Al-Jazeera TV".
Yes he is right to a point but to say all, I found very offensive and I actually shouted back at him and said "no not all brother" everyone turned back and looked at me, some even smiled at me, the Sheikh ignored me of course. I mean what about the young & old Arab men that are continuously killed by Israeli soldiers just because they are fighting for their land, what about Arab men that defended Lebanon and other countries too? are we completely written off now and become a laughing stock even by other Muslims?
This Sheikh should know better than generalising his views, I mean how would he like it if some one said in a sermon that all black men are drug dealers? (which of course is not true) wouldn't that be very offensive? I feel I was right to feel angry.

39 comments:

Benghazi Citizen said...

The problem is ,some people who are SUPPOSED to enlighten us in the matters of our religion some times do the contrary.It is easy for some of these to generalize an idea ,like when talking about other religions for exa,ple,forgetting that in Quran we are ordered to respect other religions and to treat them the way our prophet used to treat his jew neighbour for example,with good ,polite manners.
other thing:I remember i was watching a Fatwa program on a very well known arab space channel,and the sheikh was asked by an audience :what islam thinks of learning other languages ,english for example? well,for my shock and disbelief,the sheikh response was: if you are not in a vital need for the language ,in other words if you r not a doctor or engeneer or in a profession in which u need to speak english ,you are strongly advised not to.....WHAT IN GOD"S NAME WAS THAT??where did all that calls in Quran to persue education where ever and in all field go in that man's mind? and actually he put him on air for millions to watch and follow??? that was really sad..don't you think?
thank yopu for sharing us ur experience my friend
regards
Benghazi Citizen
www.benghazicitezen.blogspot.com

PH said...

I agree with you on your sentiment, and I have had a similar experience except it was directed towards Libyans not Arabs in general :D . I just stopped attending that specific sheikh's sermons, even though what he said isn't necessarily reflective of his knowledge I think its more related to his presentation skills and language skills "Balagha" maybe he is used to interchanging the words Arabs with Muslims he didn't notice the repercussions of his words, not that its an excuse :).
Anyway Rabi yesamha wa yehdiena wa yehdiena to the good of our religion.

salaam Bro.

Lost-Libyan said...

its very sad that ppl tend to make logical phallacies, the hasty generalization is a very serious issue, and thats exactly what tainted the mMlsims' image and in specific the Arabs'!

ibeebarbie said...

Salam Anglo-Libyan,

Well sounds like the walk and weather were nice. :-) And dog-gone humans for their ability to knowingly or unknowingly offend. =) Thankfully Allah gave us a mind to seek the truth and feel our souls with healthy information even if the deliver is stupid, alhamdullilah.

Anglo-Libyan said...

I agree with what you said Benghazi citizen. its people in the spot light that have the responsibility of showing how good our religion is but unfortunately many are doing the opposite. Thanks for your comment.

ph, if that man continues to give sermons I would do just like you and stop going. salam to you brother.

lost-libyan, thats how I feel too, the problem is within us. thanks my friend.

salam ibeebarbie
thanks for your support, Allah bless you.

weldemdina said...

I disagree with the Imam on his remarks by pointing the finger at Arabs only and not other Muslim brothers, but you might forgive him for saying that if he is living and surrounded by Arabs, having said that he shouldn't mention the word Arab. He is right in asking people to contribute their time or efforts in looking after the place of worship "bayt Allah" because some people treat it as a public place like going to the public library or the park! And they expect the local council to look after it! I been several times to Regent's park mosque and I noticed how dirty and messy the toilets are and how the water flooding the floor, and babies and toddlers screaming during the praying time, instead of keep them at home with child minders or in a crèche. I found it in general most Muslims be it Arabs or Africans or whoever they arrive from their homelands bringing with them their bad habits and they refuse to learn new good habits i.e. be clean and organised, harsh words sometimes painful but it do wonders.

a_akak said...

Well, I admire you for standing up but i doubt he really meant it as i would assume he did it to show the extremes and probably was attempting to use a "shock tactic" ,however, unfortunately there is some elements of truth within that statement but by highlighting it we acknowledge that a problem is present and from there we can start to improve as "knowing the problem is half the solution"

Fe Aman Allah

BuJ said...

hello! you just been featured on Gulf News! Mabrook!
http://gulfnews.com/technology/blogging/10131203.html
I believe the link will expire in 24hrs as usual, but I'll try to find the perm link when it's published.

btw, u reminded me why i stopped going to friday prayers.. coz they never stick to their time limit!! and i have to go back to work.

Happymoi said...

Rabi yuster wa kalas!!
Negative comments arent always fun...as many of you said,this has some truth to it...but as a sheik he must use proper language thats not offensive or at least not as offensive...he is in a trusted position so i think he must be careful with his wording.. choice of words matter!!

Anglo-Libyan said...

weldemdina, I agree with you on the issue of mosques cleanliness, I have written a post about it last year, you can read it Here
of course we all have a responsibility and should treat any place let alone a mosque resectfully but there should be people committed to cleaning at all times, like in shopping centre or what ever. Regent Park mosque toiltes are always filthy and flooded yet the cleaners who are supposed to work can be seen sometimes listening to their MP3 players instead of working. thanks for your points.

Ahmed, of course there is a lot of truth in that statement but I think happymoi has written exactly how I feel.

Buj, thats fantastic I am honoured and not only me there but Khadija Teri as well :o)

happymoi, thanks for the comment, you put it so well, I cant add to it :o)

Safia speaks said...

Bravo!

You did that well. There is no room for racism and prejudice in islam, and the sheikh should know better.

Next time we want pictures of you standing among the seated, raising your finger and telling them :P

Seriously, you did al right. I do that thing all the time, and sometimes people are annoyed, muttering "Oh no, not Safia Aoude..", but who cares?

It´s the tale, not he who tells it!

fatboy said...

hey u have all the right to be angry i mean if he is angry that doesnt give him the right to say thing like this and about the mosques ur right i think that each mosque should have a shop or some thing that could get the mosque to have some income that will make the mosque have the money to hire cleaners to do that work

lovelytripoli said...

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
المكشلة ياأخي أن بعض الشيوخ في الجوامع يعتقدون أنهم دائماً علي صواب ويحق لهم قول مايحلو لهم والجمع في معضم الأمور هي كالعلكة في أفواههم فهم معتادون علي الجمع بدل التكلم بصفة البعض والإستثناءات_ وكم أعبجني حوارك معه- وللأسف بعض الناس الأمييون أو حتي المتعلمون يرون ان الشيخ لا يخطأ أبداً ويطيعونه في كل شيء مهما إن كان هذا الأمر..وهذا سبب أخر لتخلفنا وجهلنا

أما قصة الفتاوي فأنا أري أن كثرت الشيوخ وتعددهم من كل ملة ومذهب فهو سبب إزدواج الفتاوي وإعطائها للناس في كل داعي وغير داعي..
كتلتك فتوي أكل الحلزونة أضحكتني...؟
فتوي غريبة
أو فتوي قتل المسيحين في أرض داهم بلا حرب أو قتال بين الطرفين...؟

حتي الرسول صلي الله عليه وسلم في حروب نشر الاسلام كان يوصي المقاتلين بالنساء والشوخ والأطفال والأشجار فمبالكم بمن يفجرون مطعم بدعوي الجهاد وبإسم الاسلام بفتوي من شيخ في دولة ما.....!؟

علي سيرة المساجد حكت لي أختي عن صلاة العيد قالت وسسط خطبة صلاة العيد سمعت إثنين من النسوة يتعاركن وإلفتت حاشرة نحن فيي مسسجد وأثناء خطبة العيد وأكثر الناس منصتين ومنتبهين..
قالت إحداهما تهدد الأخري أنتي تريدين الرجال تنتهي الصلاة ونتقابل أمام المسجد وأرظهر لك الرجال الحقيقيون....؟

قالت أختي بعدها قررت عدم الذهاب لصلاة العيد أو الجمعة

العيد للتسامح ولليس للخصام
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هدانا الله لما فيه خيرنا وصلاح أمتنا كلها

أمين

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Anglo-Libyan said...

Thank you Safia for your support
picture of e standing there?? that would be interesting :o)

fatboy, I wish they would taeyour advice.

lovely tripoli, بارك الله فيك
thank you for the reminders of how we sold all behave.

white african said...

generalisation is a sin in itself, its unfortunate when people who are given a platform to speak abuse it instead of being able to grab the oppertunity.

Maya M said...

I don't understand you, AL. You have a "No to terrorism" appeal on your blog, yet you seem to cite as model Arabs those who are engaged in terror. Personally, I would be happy if no such people existed and really all Arab men in their time free from work or study played football or watched TV.
As for this "sheikh", I wonder, why didn't he take a Kalashnikov himself and go to fight the infidels? Or, as you suggested, at least wash a window.
If such sheikhs keep coming to your mosque, perhaps you could consider praying at home. After God is supposed to be everywhere, it shouldn't matter to Him. And no problems with parking.

Anglo-Libyan said...

thanks White African for the comment.

maya.m, from your experience with Arabs I am sure you know that we all believe that the Palestinian struggle and the Lebanese defendeing of their country against Israels vile and unjust aggression is a just cause, if you think of them as terrorists then that is your own opinion and you are entiltled to it, after all I have Lebanese relatives that suffered and I assure you are not Terrorists.
as for the mosque, this was my second time there and im thinking of changing mosques.
Thank you.

Suliman said...

On the side perhaps, this cleaning/hygiene problem seems to plague a lot of mosques and other public places, where there is really no room for blaming the government. I think there is an underlying widespread lack of appreciation for maintenance as an inevitable operational cost. Whether you're going to a beach, a hotel, an office building, or even a mosque, the right choice always seems to be the newest--least worn out. I don't really think that keeping a mosque tidy and clean is any more complicated than keeping a mall clean. Why don't they just set up a user charge and contract the job out to professional cleaners? It is one thing to erect a building, but running an efficient public facility is different from commune living.

Maya M said...

I know from the Web that there are many Israeli Arabs who support their country (one of them, unfortunately, became known for shooting British pro-Palestinian activist Thomas Hurndall). Some other Arabs also support Israel (http://www.arabsforisrael.com/). You are right that this is a rare opinion. I haven't heard it from any Arab living or staying in Bulgaria. However, I am not sure exactly how rare this opinion is because of the apparent absence of free speech. E.g. you can blame last year's July war either on Israel or on Hezbollah. But because it is safe to speak against Israel while "if you speak against Hezbollah, they may kill you" (as a Bulgarian-Lebanese said), one could easily get the impression that all Lebanese blame Israel for their suffering. I'm going to post an "opinion poll" on my blog.

Anglo-Libyan said...

yes I agree with that, Suliman, that is how it should be.

thanks maya m for the links.
I am not a supporeter of Hezbollah and disagree with them on many issues but on the issue of defending their country then yes they did do it well, I support them as people who love their country and will defend it.

programmer craig said...

I don't understand the mindset that says it is OK to support some of a terrorists actions, but not others. Would you also say that a violent criminal was only "bad" some of the time? If a rapist and murderer in London was also a major contributer to orphanages and homeless shelters, would you say he wasn't so bad?

Does this kind of thinking come from Islam, or have Arabs developed it on their own?

Honestly, AL, I think it is that attitude that allows terrorism to exist. The war on terror will be over when that attitude has changed.

Anglo-Libyan said...

PC, I said " I support them as people who love their country and will defend it"
I do not see defending ones country as wrong.

programmer craig said...

AL,

I do not see defending ones country as wrong.

Here in the US, the Ku Klux Klan also thought they were defending their people.

I imagine the Nazis believed they were defending their people too.

And how about the Serbians back in the 1990s? Do you think they believed they weer defending their people?

That's a dangerous road to go down, excusing any amount of violent criminality in the name of defending a people.

I know you said "country" and not "people" but I disagree with you that the idea of national borders has anything to do with it. If it did, how is it that you take up Palestinian and Lebanese causes as your own? And you have said yourself in the past that the Palestinian cause has support from virtually all Arabs.

BuJ said...

Habibi Anglo Libyan.. atmana lak ijaza sa3eeda wa muree7a.. ba3eedan 3an waja3 al raas :)
BuJ

Anglo-Libyan said...

thanks buj :o)

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