Tuesday, 24 July 2007

The Democratic Arab World!!



Today, they are heroes in Europe

Their ordeal is over, they will get compensated and get over it, if they are innocent then good on them and lets just face it, they probably are innocent but the fact that Europe never asked for them to be put on an international trial to prove their innocence will always put doubts in their story, Europe should have proved their innocence to the world if they have nothing to hide, showing statements from Aids experts is not evidence. Anyway at least the suffering of their families is over.
Today, for the children and their families life carries on, there is no happy ending here

The worst thing that made me angry for the past 2 weeks up to today was the response from Arabs on AlJazeera, Alarabiya and BBC Arabic websites.I know that many Arabs are decent and stood by the children and their families but the amount of Arabs commenting on these websites with hurtful and nasty comments is unbelievable.
Most of these ignorant people know next to nothing about the case but they convicted the nurses and the doctor and just sentenced them to death in their mind. The majority attacked the Libyan people for accepting the money to release the medics, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I see comments from Saudis, Egyptians and other Arabs saying that the victims families sold their own children, it makes you think that Egypt and Saudi Arabia are such democratic countries that the government can never force them to accept anything!!!
We Libyans know that the final say is to the government, Libyans have no say what so ever so how disgusting is it to read all these comments accusing Libyans of being greedy and child sellers??
I have a question to the many stupid commentators especially from the Arab Gulf: what happens to the European people that are caught committing crime in your countries? I often hear about British people or Europeans caught in Saudi or the Gulf drinking Alcohol or selling it then we hear how they were sentenced to 3 years or so in prison just to read a month later that they were released, of course had they been Indian or Pakistani then its a different story all together, as they are very likely to be even executed for crimes they didn't commit. I have never seen more double standards than this.

All Arab countries with no exception are ruled by a hand of steel and can not open their mouth to complain, Libyans are no different so keep Libyan families out of your disgusting big mouths that are no good for any thing, where were you when Libyan people needed help?? for all of you I dedicate this website: Arab-Jarab.

53 comments:

Trabilsia said...

Good post Anglo usual !

Now do you really beieve in your frame of mind that they committed the actual incident and it not being a mise en scene??????
Okay maybe a couple of kids but the actual number leaves one suspicious , does it not ?

As for the recompensations and the selling of their own kids , I mean really who doesnt want to be recompensated for such a tragedy ,even though their kids will maybe even not survive to see the sum of money given them . Everybody does it Arabs or non. Why should Libyans be any different ?

I am happy that the nurses did get realeased to go back to their families . What Im not hapy about is the result of this tragedy that of the children having to pay the consequences . Parents getting the reimbursemment will try to move on with their lives , but the kids will be the only ones who got nothing out of it all and have to suffer as they die a slow and agonizing death.

Tariq said...

Anglo - Libyan

Fortunately I do not watch TV. I agree what you say about double standards in the Arab World.

What scares you most that some Libyan doctors are not willing to treat AIDS patients and diverting their patients to other doctors who have ethics and moral values. Those doctors would have been prosecuted and lost their medical licenses in Europe or USA.


MusicLover

Anglo-Libyan said...

Trabilsia, no I dont believe that the foreign medics carried out this tragedy, I believe another force did it and many Libyans have to answer for that.

sometimes I write my posts as soon as I am affected by a certain subject and I dont always make my point clear, I am not a preofessional writer after all :o)

One thing I am sure about is the tragedy that will continue in Libya and the big mouth that will continuoe to critisise the Libyan people, Thank you Trabilsia for your support.

Music Lover, this has happened unfortunately in Libya, cases of ignorance happen there all the time.

Tariq said...

Music Lover, this has happened unfortunately in Libya, cases of ignorance happen there all the time.


These Libyans Doctors are not ignorant, they just do not have moral values or medical ethics. You can be ignorant but still have moral values. I am more concerened about those kind of doctors in the Libyan Health System than other Arabs bad mouthing Libya in the news. They can bark as much as they want.


MusiLover

Anglo-Libyan said...

Music Lover
I am in agreement here with you, dont take it as if I am not.

I have made this point before in one of the Aids posts.

Living Away said...

Hey Anglo, I just heard the news and how Europe is happy with this "humanitarian" decision...
I'm so sorry for the Libyans children, so sorry!!

Now as you can see there is another hero, Cecilia Sarkozy! Yeah, right!

You know doesn't matter the accord they did, those children will be always sick, always marginalized, always out of the normal life they could have...

There is something that intrigues me...why the number of the cases didn't increase after those health workers were put in jail?

I'm so sorry for the children of Benghazi, for the children of Libya, of Africa, of Asia and of South America! They will always serve as sad/dirty face to illustrate many touching posters but they will not be put as priority for any international organization!
It hurts!

Leandra

programmer craig said...

You know doesn't matter the accord they did

Of COURSE it matters, Leandra! It matters a hell of a lot if those nurses weren't guilty! You really are a hateful person, aren't you? Would you give a flying fig about those kids if they were European? No, probably not.

I can't believe some of the things you say. Especially the way you try to present yourself as a humanitarian and a loving and kindly person on your blog.

Lost-Libyan said...

good job Anglo as usual...I dont know where I stand about this issue, I dont know who to blame the nurses or the goverment! anyways keeep up the good work :)

PH said...

I agree with Leandra, regardless of what the accord offers it will never reduce the pain of the children or make up for what they lost ... as for the nurses we all knew they were going to be released anyway it isn't as if Libya was going to allow itself to be sanctioned again over some nurses nor are they going to allow Libya to be turned into a new Democratic Iraq, so it isn't as if the Libyan Government had a choice either ... I mean you previously made that post about the Englishman imprisoned in Bulgaria I didn't see the Bulgarians being threatened or banned from joining the EU over it so the European/American reaction to this case was obviously biased and unbalanced .

salaam

Romana said...

"I have never seen more double standards than this." and i guess this is just more of a proof to the way we deal with things, everywhere. double, triple, keeps increasing, its as though humanity, and life are not of great worth.

what amazes me is the ignorance Anglo Libyan, it just amazes me how many foul mouthed people are running around spreading vile words, comments, speeches, and some ppl listen! they are increasing. Why are they increasing? !

Everyday proves that in the end, power not justice is the winner of them all.

Allah yo7fodna, o yer7am il naas illi suffered in this tormented ordeal

programmer craig said...

ph,

I agree with Leandra, regardless of what the accord offers it will never reduce the pain of the children or make up for what they lost ...

And no matter how much the children suffer, it will never reduce the injustice that was done to those nurses. What part of this aren't you understanding? I suppose just about any act of aggression or injustice can be done in the name of suffering children? Is that the world we have created for ourselves? Can I drop a nuclear weapon on Mecca because there are American children who were born with HIV? That is what this argument about suffering children sounds like,to me. It's a bunch of BS.

This situation has still not been resolved properly. It's been brushed under the carpet. The nurses were not acquitted. No apology was issued. No compensation was paid to the nurses. The people who mistreated the nurses in prison were exonerated, and not only that the nurses were shamed with a defamation charge for daring to accuse their tormentors.

A crisis may have been averted, but the problem remains. And it is a Libyan problem, not a western problem.

PH said...

@ programmer_craig :

"And no matter how much the children suffer, it will never reduce the injustice that was done to those nurses. What part of this aren't you understanding? "

I don't remember saying anything about the nurses at all ! so stop putting words in my mouth !
Given you've brought it up, the nurses could be innocent or guilty anyone convicted for a felon in any country could be innocent, courts are fallible just like everything else; but that is beyond the point because regardless of whether they are innocent or guilty the children ARE without doubt victims unlike the nurses ( there is doubt surrounding their situation ). Furthermore I'm free to express sympathy for whomever I wish and and I don't think the nurses require any more publicity than what they are already getting and I don't need some one like you telling me what to say or what not to say.

If you feel so strongly about it maybe you should stop trolling other peoples blogs and get your own, to express your own views, and share you opinions with those who comment on your blog instead of intimidating commentators on other peoples blogs, like this one and other's, trying to impose your own opinion and attempting to silence others you disagree with through bullying and harassment !

As for the Libyan Judicial system, for an American to see fit to mock it, is in it's self laughable lest I remind you of the innocent Killers and child molesters who have been released by your court system only to continue to killing innocent people and molesting children .

Another thing is that the nurses, as has being pointed out by more than one blogger, have been given the opportunity to dye their hair, celebrate holy festivities with their families and have even had a special prison built for them. Which is more than what is done for Mexican prisoners ( as an example ) in the US who aren't even given consular privileges before their death sentence's in the state of Texas.

"Is that the world we have created for ourselves? Can I drop a nuclear weapon on Mecca because there are American children who were born with HIV? "

Even though I would never endorse an act of aggression against another country over a legal battle but its seems that thats what the world has come to as I highlighted in my comment the example of hypocrisy in the world and you bring to mind another example which is what your previous secretary of state Madeline Albright said about Iraqi children's death being a cheap price to pay for the disposal of Saddam. As for your veiled threat of dropping Nuclear bombs on Mecca I don't see why you or your country wouldn't if it could, its just a question of strategy and loosing credibility with the rest of the world that has stopped it thus far and the fact that the rest of the world isn't divided between Muslims and Christians; but Tom Tancredo doesn't seem to mind it ( and he is actually running for president ) and from your previous statements on how all Libyans deserved to be killed during the Italian occupation ( on Highlanders blog ) and what you said on iraqimojo's blog I don't think you would mind either ! Strange how you find it in yourself to point fingers at people and accuse them of being hateful and bigoted and racist and you can't seem to see yourself as such !


"because there are American children who were born with HIV? "

The children weren't born with AID's they got it after birth and if they got it as a result of lack of Hygenie we would have had a lot more cases on our hands and they wouldn't be children ! and you don't need a research paper or Maya's blog to figure that out !

"This situation has still not been resolved properly. It's been brushed under the carpet. The nurses were not acquitted. No apology was issued. "

Well that isn't what your government thinks you should go and read the statement they made yesterday ... it seems condi might be on her way over when we pay the rest of our bills ! and the European Union is already paying up and compensating us . I also think that your oilmen and Business men in Libya would be having a laugh with that statement ..... you know your government started selling weapons and military parts to Libya more than 2 years ago even before the nurses were handed over right?

One last thing, again stop harassing me and shadowing me on blogs that are featured on itoot ( apart from Khadija's but she's American so you don't want to harass her right ? ) I have an email on my profile and guess what ? I even have a blog ! The only reason people don't bother to reply to you isn't because you are so right it's because you are so dumb and stupid that you can't see the fallacy of your own arguments and nothing gets through to you which makes arguments with you fruitless ............... so you might want to stop it and start acting civil like all the other commentators and express your view in a objective mature manner with out vulgarities like "BS" and without veiled threats or is that genetically beyond you ?

salaam

@ Anglo :

I'm really sorry for this Anglo I hope you understand the situation .........

salaam

programmer craig said...

ph,

I don't remember saying anything about the nurses at all ! so stop putting words in my mouth !

You agreed with Leandra, and she said some hateful stuff about the nurses. You should be more careful what you are signing off on if you don't want to be associated with somebody else's statements.

Given you've brought it up, the nurses could be innocent or guilty anyone convicted for a felon in any country could be innocent

We aren't talking about any country. We are talking about Libya.

If you feel so strongly about it maybe you should stop trolling other peoples blogs and get your own, to express your own views

You call my opinions "trolling"? The only people who share your opinion on this case are Libyans. The rest of the world is on my side. Who is trolling?

As for me refraining from commenting on other people's blogs, may I be the first to point out that this right here is NOT your blog? Neither is Highlander's.

If the blog owner asks me to leave, I will and I won't be back. But you don't have the right to try and tell me I should go someplace else.

Even though I would never endorse an act of aggression against another country

Falsely accusing foreign nationals of serious crimes is an act of aggression. Torturing foreign nationals who have been wrongly imprisoned is an act of aggression. Raping women who are guests in your country, is an act of aggression.

Some of the comments you've made on Highlander's blog on the Palestinian issue and on terrorism in general, seem to be support for acts of aggression.

It seems to me that you do support acts of aggression when it suits you too, you just don't support acts of aggression against you and yours.

The children weren't born with AID's they got it after birth and if they got it as a result of lack of Hygenie we would have had a lot more cases on our hands and they wouldn't be children ! and you don't need a research paper or Maya's blog to figure that out !

You obviously know nothing about HIV epidemics. I bet you have a college degree, too, don't you? And yet you can't be bothered to do any research at all about such an important matter before you convict innocent people of something they clearly didn't do. You think Libya is the only place that has had an HIV epidemic in a hospital? Mind boggling.

Well that isn't what your government thinks you should go and read the statement they made yesterday ...

I don't give a shit what my government says, and you shouldn't either. My government says a lot of things, but this case will not be forgotten.

One last thing, again stop harassing me and shadowing me on blogs that are featured on itoot

Stop shadowing you!? I've been a regular on Highlander's blog for more than 2 years, check her archives! I've had Anglo-Libyan on my bookmarks for over a year. I don't read and comment here much because, honestly, I don't like a number of his readers, though I like him just fine.

I don't recall seeing you on any other blogs, PH. I don't even know who you are. Sorry to break the bad news to you, but I don't get to this blog or H's through iToot. And I damn sure am not following you around :P

PS-I left comments on Leandra's blog (without commenting here) after the nasty comments she made on the HIV post AL made last week. My comments to her, on her blog, were obviously ineffective. So, I *did* comment to her in this thread. I would have just read without comment if she hadn't said what she said. Perhaps you should be asking her to comment only on her own blog. I consider her opinions to be hateful, and bigoted. And I will not be silent.

Maya M said...

AngloLibyan, I disagree with you that an international trial should be held to eventually "prove" the innocence of the accused medics. I think it would be a very bad idea. When classic communism was dismantled in the Soviet Union and then in Eastern Europe, some people said it was wrong that the former political prisoners were given "certificates of innocence", often after trials. These commentators said, "Imagine that after dismantling the Nazi concentration camps, the Allies had occupied themselves with issuing similar certificates to the camp survivors! Instead, the survivors' innocence was taken for granted because Nazism was condemned. Now, we are laying the burden of proof on the communism's victims and, for that reason, won't soon be able to leave communism behind." I think they were right. Besides, do you think, honestly, that any verdict of any trial would succeed in convincing those Libyans who still think that the defendants are guilty? I doubt it.
About what other Arabs say about Libyans - I have commented before that it isn't very nice or clever of them and Libyans would best not pay attention to them.
We Bulgarians often say that there are no devils around our pool of boiling water in Hell. I.e. devils keep guard by other nations' pools because occasionally some sinner manages to crawl out and a devil is needed to throw him back into the boiling pool; but this is not needed for the Bulgarians, because as soon as one of them tries to crawl out, the others pull him back themselves. You guess we have this saying because we, unfortunately, are inclined to put each other into trouble rather than helping each other. But I think this applies to the pan-Arab "nation", too. Every time when an Arab nation tries to make something good for itself, other Arab nations will surely try to pull it backwards. Misery is easier to endure if you have company.
Programmer Craig, thank you for defending my people.

PH said...

@ programmer_craig :

”You agreed with Leandra, and she said some hateful stuff about the nurses. You should be more careful what you are signing off on if you don't want to be associated with somebody else's statements.”

I went back and read what Leandra said, again, and she didn't say anything that much different from what I said maybe you should read what people say before making accusations, she didn't mention the nurses either, she at the most made a valid statement that the infections stopped after the nurses arrest which is the truth ..... does the truth offend you that much ? Not that its any of your business; but I would rather be associated with Leandra than with a war mongering genocide advocate like you !

”We aren't talking about any country. We are talking about Libya.”

“We” weren't talking I was commenting on a post Anglo made on his blog, not on yours, which was directed to him. The topic wasn't Libya it was the way the Arab countries criticized the reached agreement between Libya and the EU and how they ( the Arabs ) deemed it unjust to the Libyan children ! ( did you read the post ? ) Again why should the way Libya is treated be any different from the way any other country is treated, and why should the Libyan people have to suffer sanctions again over a court verdict that could be right or wrong AS IS THE CASE IN ANY OTHER COUNTRY while other countries ( well to be true only European countries /and the US and Canada ) aren't subject to such coercion ........... and me and Anglo have already mentioned the Micheal Shields case and I have mentioned the double standards in Madeline Albright's previous statements regarding the Iraqi children ( which you, not surprisingly, overlooked and brushed under the carpet ).

”You call my opinions "trolling"?

No I called your opinion of my opinion trolling. Saying that my opinion is “BS” and issuing veiled threats to Nuke Muslim holy sites because of a disagreement in opinion is trolling !

Here are two definitions of trolling on the Internet :

1- The practice of trying to lure other Internet users into sending responses to carefully-designed incorrect statements or similar "bait.".

2- A troll is someone who intentionally posts messages about sensitive topics constructed to cause controversy in an online community such as an online discussion forum or USENET groups in order to bait users into responding .

Examples of you trolling On Anglo's blog :

1- Your statement to me that my opinion is “BS” and that I was somehow offending the nurses ( an incorrect statement ) even though I didn't mention them and you issued a veiled threat to nuke mecca, which is consistent with the first definition.

2- Your statement to Leandra that she is a hateful person for offending the nurses ( also an incorrect statement ) supposedly because she said that the AID's epidemic ended when the nurses were arrested, which is true. This is also consistent with the first definition and was made to provoke her into getting into a fight with you as you did with me.

And there are many other examples on Anglo's blog of you issuing dishonest half baked statements to pick fights with commentators, because you're too ignorant to admit that you maybe wrong !

Examples of you trolling on Highlander's blog :

1- In this post you are posting a controversial article in the comments section of her blog that you know has nothing to do with her post, in essence you are creating your own posts in the comment section of other peoples blog's, which is consistent with the second definition ( the Hamas Mickey Mouse one ).

2- Here you post a comment with an article directed to Adam that again had nothing to do with the post at hand and which you could have posted on Adams blog, on which I have seen you comment before, and the only reason I can find for that is that you are trying to provoke Adam and other readers into an argument and start a fight as usual, again this is consistent with the second definition ( the one about the conviction of the nurses ).


"The only people who share your opinion on this case are Libyans. The rest of the world is on my side"

Well Anglo has already illustrated that the Arab world also agrees with us and they aren't Libyan, if you didn't know; but I guess they aren't white enough for you to have their opinions heard right? As for the rest of the World ..... what rest of the World are you talking about ? The governments of Europe, Canada and the US ? A lot of their citizens also believe that the real victims are the children and this whole issue is a political farce to blackmail Libya into providing more concessions to the EU and US, and they also agree that it is similar to the blackmailing of Iraq over the WMD ( did you find them by the way ? ) and I doubt the rest of the non-Arab developing World would agree with you or your government on this as they have also been subjected to such biased acts of coercion that hinder their development ( Like Leandra's country, btw is that why she offends you; cause she's not on your side? ).


”As for me refraining from commenting on other people's blogs, may I be the first to point out that this right here is NOT your blog? Neither is Highlander's.”

I didn't tell you to refrain from commenting nor would I tell you or anybody else for that matter. What I asked of you is to stop being vulgar and to stop threating, offending and intimidating people you disagree with on their blogs and that is only because you did it to me otherwise I wouldn't even be replying to somebody like you ( warmongering genocide advocate ) !

Also they aren't your blog's either so are you going to stop trolling their blogs and stops posting posts in the comments section of their blogs ? And learn some civility ?


”But you don't have the right to try and tell me I should go someplace else.”

You are right I don't and I didn't. I do have the right though to highlight you're dishonesty, hypocrisy and to respond to your threats and intimidations.


”Falsely accusing foreign nationals of serious crimes is an act of aggression. Torturing foreign nationals who have been wrongly imprisoned is an act of aggression. Raping women who are guests in your country, is an act of aggression.”

How do you know they were tortured or raped ? Why do you give more weight to their words than that of the Libyans ? Is it because of the color of their skin or their religion ? And how do you know they were falsely accused ?

Actually, accusing any foreign national in any country isn't an act of aggression, again, as both me and Anglo have pointed out with the Micheal Shields case ( how many times do we have to bring it up for you to acknowledge it by the way ? ).

Furthermore, any foreign national in a country is bound by the laws of that country and by visiting it automatically accepts its laws and the rulings of its judicial system and in the case of Muslim countries most visitors are informed beforehand of the cultural differences with western countries so that they don't fall out with the law and there have been many cases were foreign nationals in Muslim countries have been exempted from the rule of law; because they didn't know their actions were illegal. If the nurses did do it, they would have known it was illegal and at the end of the day its up to Libya's judicial system to issue a verdict ........... it's not a matter for the EU or the US to decide or impose on us !

Do you know what is an act of aggression though ? Kidnapping foreign nationals from their country and putting them on trial while denying them consular rights, which is in direct violation of the Vienna conventions, and sentencing them to death and murdering them . Would you support sanctions against the US or a war against the US to free those nationals, if they hadn't been murdered that is ?

”Some of the comments you've made on Highlander's blog on the Palestinian issue and on terrorism in general, seem to be support for acts of aggression.”

What comment did I make on the Palestinian issue on Highlander's blog? I didn't even mention them there in her last post ? Are you disillusion ? Even though it's none of your business but my stance on the Palestinian issue is the same as that of Anglo as highlighted in his “Angry Sheikh” post if you go back and read it I even commented to the effect that he should stop going to that Sheikh. It's only in your twisted mind that my comments could be translated as such ( in Maya's too ) which is why I didn't respond at the time ( on Highlander's blog ) because it was obvious to everyone else ( other than you and her ) what I meant; but I suppose being a warmongering genocide advocate you think everyone else shares your hatred and contempt for people of different ethnicity or religion .

”It seems to me that you do support acts of aggression when it suits you too, you just don't support acts of aggression against you and yours.”

That would be you, as I've illustrated in both this comment and the one before ( by highlighting your hypocrisy if you didn't get it yet !).

”You obviously know nothing about HIV epidemics. I bet you have a college degree, too, don't you? And yet you can't be bothered to do any research at all about such an important matter before you convict innocent people of something they clearly didn't do. You think Libya is the only place that has had an HIV epidemic in a hospital?”

Actually, I don't believe college degree's are a good metric of ones intellect either. I believe that regardless of me being a college graduate or a college drop out ( like you - you mentioned it on another blog ), if we aren't specialists in the field our opinions are only personal reflections on the matter. As for the AID's epidemic as I pointed out before, the children weren't born with the infection and I have asked Italian microbiologists who were working for the EU in Libya and who are familiar with the case about it's details and the relevance of the academic work in the field related to this outbreak and they told me that the infection was deliberate and not due to hygiene. My sister was also admitted to the hospital in question at the time of the outbreak; but she wasn't infected because she wasn't admitted to the ward the nurses were in and I was living in Benghazi at the time and being the social people we are I regularly visit relative from my tribe, and the hospital in question was among the cleanest; because it was a children's hospital so again why wasn't there an outbreak in the other hospitals in that city or in any other city for that matter if it was a question of hygiene ? With regards to how AID's is passed on I am familiar with it and have read papers on this case and I agree with everyone else who disagrees with you and Maya on this matter as you already know from your countless arguments with everyone else on this matter.

” Mind boggling”

The only thing that is mind boggling is your ego.

” but this case will not be forgotten”

Only in the minds of those full of hatred.


”I don't recall seeing you on any other blogs, PH. I don't even know who you are.”

Well let me refresh your memory; here you attacked my opinion on buj's blog and you tried to start a brawl with me there as well.

“Sorry to break the bad news to you, but I don't get to this blog or H's through iToot. And I damn sure am not following you around :P”

I didn't imply you got here through itoot either; but based on what you said on kaboobfest here, it seems the only reason you are trolling their blogs and picking fights with other commentators on their blogs is because they are on itoot. Let me quote what you said for those who don't want to follow the link :

“Does this mean that the whole "trying to reach a western audience" thing is kaput? That's fine by me, but can we get this mxxxxxxxxxxx taken off iToot yet? I promise I'll go away, and not come back. I don't even like this blog. ”

the “ mxxxxxxxxxxx” is some of your typical vulgarity I censored out of respect for Anglo. I'm assuming from your comment that you don't like the way Anglo and Highlander are reaching out to the western world either ?

”My comments to her, on her blog, were obviously ineffective. So, I *did* comment to her in this thread. I would have just read without comment if she hadn't said what she said. “

Upon reading her comment from last week I didn't find anything evil or vulgar actually I understood she was highlighting the hypocrisy and double standards that I was illustrating in my comments as well, which I have also proven so I don't see why you are offended. Is it because she is a non-Muslim siding with Muslims? Do you hate her in the same way you hate Will on kabobfest and for the same reasons ? Do you consider any non-muslim who sides with Arabs or Muslims treacherous ?

By the way in stating the reason why you commented again on her comment you provide further proof of you being a troll ! And you also prove that you pick fights with those you dislike on other peoples blogs to intimidate them and try to impose your opinion on them or at the least silence them.

”Perhaps you should be asking her to comment only on her own blog.”

I didn't ask you to, I don't see why I should ask her? Furthermore she didn't attack me personally nor did she disrespect my opinion nor my right to free speech nor did she threaten to nuke Mecca !

”I consider her opinions to be hateful, and bigoted.”

Thats only a reflection of who you really are, I guess you think everyone is like you, thats why you misread their comments and try to find offense and hate in them !

” And I will not be silent”

Try to be respectful of others ?

salaam

LovelyHibo said...

اوف يا انجلو
مانحكيلك عالاحساس الي حاساته نحس في دمي محروق اول ماسمعت بالبلغاريات طلعوا من ليبيا....كل شيء مبيوع .الضماير الأخلاق ..الوطنية....

يعني معقولة البغارية أغلي قيمة منا احني الليبين........
كل شيء فيه مفاوصات وفلوس يطلعوا فيه الليبين طماعين و ماعندهمش ضمير واخلاق.....


يعني في كل اذان ندعي من كل قلبي أنه ربي ياخد بحقنا وبحق كل مظلوم

أما بالنسبة للمحطات العربية
فهما وسامحني فيها ماعنهمش من يطلعلهم معلومات صحيحة من هني لأن المراسلين في خطر أكثر من اي حد

خصوصا المواضيع السرية والسياسية والي فيها جوانب خفية

وعلي سيرة المحطات الفضائية يوم جاء خبر وصول البلغاريات لبلادهم و اطلاق سراحهم نهائياً...تعرف كنت فاتحة في الليل الكويت و وقت قدموا الخبر قجموا بطريقة كأن فينا خونه يبعوا في اولادهم بهالشكل الجالب لسخرية الجميع علينا...

واخر تعليق قاله المديع لن ننسي نحن أطفال ليبيا المحقونيين بالإيدز مهما إن حدث...
شوف قداش فيها تحقير لينا الجمله...
علي فكرة ثاني يوم بعد الاطلاق

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سلام

programmer craig said...

ph,

I went back and read what Leandra said, again, and she didn't say anything that much different from what I said maybe you should read what people say before making accusations...

I *did* read what she said, this time and every other time she has commented on the issue. I saw what you were saying about the nurses in your follow up, as well. I'm not stupid. Your opinion and hers, are quite clear.

“We” weren't talking I was commenting on a post Anglo made on his blog, not on yours, which was directed to him.

Actually, your comment was directed at Leandra. What's your point? You are permitted to comment here, but I am not? Why? Because I'm not Libyan, or because I don't agree with you?

The topic wasn't Libya it was the way the Arab countries criticized the reached agreement between Libya and the EU and how they...,

But that isn't what your comment was about. Your comment was about the probable guilt of the nurses and so on and so forth.

No I called your opinion of my opinion trolling. Saying that my opinion is “BS” and issuing veiled threats to Nuke Muslim holy sites because of a disagreement in opinion is trolling !

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I was trying to illustrate the folly of using the suffering of children to rationalize massive injustices done to others. It's a "does not compute" to play on people's heart strings to distract people from actual injustices done to others.

It's just like people who commit terrorist acts against the innocent and use their own "suffering" to justify the way they victimize other people, or support the victimization of other people.

I understand people like you and Leandra very well, ph. I know exactly what you mean when you say the things you say. You are selfish, and you are hateful, and you have absolutely NO EMPATHY for other human beings. None. You bringing the suffering children into these discussions is just a cheap ploy.

continuing...

programmer craig said...

Skipping your comments about the trolling. They are useless whining - you don't like it when people contradict you. God help us all if you ever become top dog anywhere, because you'd be a beast.

Well Anglo has already illustrated that the Arab world also agrees with us and they aren't Libyan, if you didn't know; but I guess they aren't white enough for you to have their opinions heard right?

There are a lot of ignorant and brainwashed people in the middle east. You didn't know? There are also a lot of Arab racists. Proportionally, I'd guess Arabs are the most racist people on the planet. Nice accusation of racism against me, though.

Another ploy to get me to shut up and stop disagreeing with you.

The governments of Europe, Canada and the US ? A lot of their citizens also believe that the real victims are the children and this whole issue... blah blah blah...

Bullshit. I doubt you could find a single non-Arab in the United States who believes what you claim a "lot" of Americans believe.

And you accuse ME of dishonesty? Where did you hear that outrageous crapola? Al Jazeera?

I didn't tell you to refrain from commenting nor would I tell you or anybody else for that matter.

You most certainly did. Again, why are you accusing me of being dishonest when you repeatedly tell bald faced lies?

(snipped some insults - why do you accuse me of being "vulgar" when you feel free to make personal attacks on other people?)

You are right I don't and I didn't. I do have the right though to highlight you're dishonesty, hypocrisy and to respond to your threats and intimidations.

My threats and intimidations? Dude you are a Libyan, and you seem to be supportive of terrorism, to me. Do you realize how "threatening" and "intimidating" it is for a Libyan terrorist to be trying to shut people up on the internet?

Do you even realize the reputation Libya has?

How do you know they were tortured or raped ?

Because they had no reason to lie.

Why do you give more weight to their words than that of the Libyans ?

Excuse me? The words of Libyan government officials? Are you even serious?

Is it because of the color of their skin or their religion ? And how do you know they were falsely accused ?

Another crack about me being a racist. That's nice, considering these women were scapegoated because of their race, nationality and religion. You accuse ME of racism for objecting to the racist nature of their prosecution for things they obviously didn't do. Cute.

Actually, accusing any foreign national in any country isn't an act of aggression...

It is an act of aggression, when their is a conspiracy to prosecute foreign nationals for a crime they didn't commit, in order to protect guilty citizens. And in order to manipulate the innocent masses, such as yourself. Especially when "evidence" is fabricated. That's far more than a wrongly prosecution. That's a politically motivated conspiracy.

again, as both me and Anglo have pointed out with the Micheal Shields case ( how many times do we have to bring it up for you to acknowledge it by the way ? ).

It's irrelevant.

continuing...

programmer craig said...

By the way, I consider this long ass comment you left to be an attempt to shut me up with making too many accusations for me to reply to all of them.

Cute trick. That's like the conspiracy theorists who copy paste 10 pages of proof, knowing that nobody will ever bother trying to refute every item.

You really do have a serious problem with people who disagree with you, huh?

Next time I'd appreciate it if you break up your comment into pieces so that it is more manageable.

programmer craig said...

Furthermore, any foreign national in a country is bound by the laws of that country...

That's why deliberately false prosecutions are international incidents.

Snipping the rest of what you wrote on that.

Do you know what is an act of aggression though ? Kidnapping foreign nationals from their country and putting them on trial while denying them consular rights, which is in direct violation of the Vienna conventions, and sentencing them to death and murdering them .

Would you support sanctions against the US or a war against the US to free those nationals, if they hadn't been murdered that is ?

I have no idea what you are talking about. US capturing terrorists abroad? The US is already at war with terrorists, so yes... I support terrorists declaring war on America. I'm pretty sure that already happened, though, eh?

I don't mind if countries that support terrorism want to declare war on the United States. In fact, that might prove to be convenient for us. Particularly in the case of Iran. It would spare us the effort of trying to justify war against them, wouldn't it?

Who else did you have in mind? Libya? If you think you can get Q to go to war with the US and that is what you want to happen, then go for it.

What comment did I make on the Palestinian issue on Highlander's blog? I didn't even mention them there in her last post ? Are you disillusion ?

Who said anything about her last post? Nice "civility" you show me, again, by the way.

Even though it's none of your business

Of course it is my business when people support terrorism, though. It is everyone's business.

but my stance on the Palestinian issue is the same as that of Anglo...

I'm not so sure that it is. I haven't seen AL justify violence. I have seen that in you.

It's only in your twisted mind that my comments could be translated as such ( in Maya's too )

Yes, everyone who disputes your opinions has a "twisted mind", right?

And what would you do to us, if you could, I wonder?

Actually, I don't believe college degree's are a good metric of ones intellect either.

And you are absolutely right. The world is full of multi-degreed dumbasses, isn't it?

I believe that regardless of me being a college graduate or a college drop out ( like you - you mentioned it on another blog )

You seem to know a lot about me, PH. And yet, you accuse me of shadowing you? Odd, that.

Only in the minds of those full of hatred.

Like you and Leandra? Your contempt and disgust for all things western is manifest for all to see.

Well let me refresh your memory; here you attacked my opinion on buj's blog and you tried to start a brawl with me there as well.

BuJ's blog? I haven't even read that in months. BuJ is a bigot, and it's quite telling that you are one of his readers. Anyway, I think I've only commented on his blog 3 or 4 times, a long time ago. What were you saying that I took offense to? Do I have to go to his blog and check? I don't normally start "brawls" with people I don't even know, ph.

I bet it was pretty choice, huh? Want me to guess? :P

I didn't imply you got here through itoot either;

Actually, you did. Another bald-faced lie.

but based on what you said on kaboobfest here, it seems the only reason you are trolling their blogs and picking fights with other commentators on their blogs is because they are on itoot.

That's only true for KABOBfest. And I don't recall seeing you there, either. I usually remember people who say interesting things, so I guess you don't. You're pretty pedantic and predictable, aren't you? It's amusing the way people like you and BuJ love to accuse me of following you around to harrass you. You guys aren't that important, but it is quite telling about the scale of your egos, isn't it? In your world, it's all about you. You probably think blogger are making posts with secret meanings and messages, just for you, right? I've run into people like you before.

the “ mxxxxxxxxxxx” is some of your typical vulgarity I censored out of respect for Anglo.

Another asshat who makes unprovoked and insulting personal attacks on people, but thinks he is being "civil" because he doesn't use profanity :P

Where do people like you come from? Is there some special idiot school I never heard about?

I'm assuming from your comment that you don't like the way Anglo and Highlander are reaching out to the western world either ?

Why would you make such an assumption? KABOBfest is a propaganda site. Are you accusing AL and Highlander of being propagandists?

Upon reading her comment from last week I didn't find anything evil or vulgar...

What a shocker.

By the way in stating the reason why you commented again on her comment you provide further proof of you being a troll !

Excuse me? I went out of my way to put my comment to her, on her own blog, instead of here... and that makes me a troll?

Aren't you the one who said I should make comments to people where they belong? :O

And you also prove that you pick fights with those you dislike

When people make offensive comments, I give myself permission to confront them. So?

on other peoples blogs to intimidate them and try to impose your opinion on them or at the least silence them.

You are the one who tried to silence me, ph. And you continue to try it.

I can't believe you have the audacity to accuse me of hypocrisy, hypocrite.

Thats only a reflection of who you really are, I guess you think everyone is like you, thats why you misread their comments

My reading comprehension is quite good. Leandra is a bigot and a hate-monger. 3/4 of the posts on her blog are blatant examples of it. Want examples?

And what makes it even worse is that she portrays herself as a kindly and humanitarian type person. If she had any respect for human rights at all, and if she had any empathy in her heart at all, she wouldn't say the things she does about those Bulgarian nurses, whose human rights were violated in the cruelest and most callous ways imaginable.

and try to find offense and hate in them !

Honestly, it doesn't take much effort to find hate and offensiveness in her comments! Or yours! You two are paper thin.

Try to be respectful of others ?

Like you? I couldn't even count the umber of personal attacks you made on me in the last comment if I tries.

salaam

Asta la vista, baby.

Maya M said...

PH wrote, "I went back and read what Leandra said... she didn't mention the nurses either, she at the most made a valid statement that the infections stopped after the nurses arrest which is the truth..."
Such statements help to explain why I dislike people like PH (or Leandra).
Why didn't he say, "I've made hateful statements about the nurses because I hate them, and I hate them because I believe they deliberately infected the children, and I guess Leandra thinks the same"?
What he did say (the above citation) is, to me, a textbook example of hypocrisy.
How do PH and Leandra know that "the infections stopped after the nurses' arrest"? Do they take as truth every single statement of the Q-man's propaganda, or just this one, because it serves well their irrational hatred towards the Bulgarian nurses?
Even if this WERE the truth, it wouldn't matter much. It would be logical for Libyan authorities to begin their hunt for scapegoats after fixing the problem at the hospital first. Alternatively, the children infected after the medics' arrests could easily be dropped from the records. But the Qaddafi's regime didn't even bother to keep its lies straight. It handed the data about children infected after the arrests to the international experts. "Professor Luc Montagnier... and Professor Vittorio Colizzi... were appointed as experts by the Gaddafi International Foundation... They were heard by the court in September 2003 and were able to submit the results of a study... This study exonerated the Bulgarian medical team, showing clearly that the infection had broken out in 1997 at Al-Fateh Hospital in Benghazi, in other words over a year before the Bulgarians had come to work there, and that it continued after their arrest" (http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/WorkingDocs/Doc05/EDOC10677.htm).
So much about the "truth".

LovelyHibo said...

what is happiend in here?

PH said...

@ maya :

"Why didn't he say, "I've made hateful statements about the nurses because I hate them, and I hate them because I believe they deliberately infected the children, and I guess Leandra thinks the same"?"

Because I don't, I clearly said I don't know who infected the children like you don't know, which makes me more honest than you, you Hypocritical Liar !

And here are example of what I said in both comments you Liar :

"the nurses could be innocent or guilty anyone convicted for a felon in any country could be innocent, courts are fallible just like everything else;"

"she didn't mention the nurses either, she at the most made a valid statement that the infections stopped after the nurses arrest which is the truth ....."

which doesn't mean that they are guilty may I add ( since you are too dumb to figure it out yourself !

"if the nurses did do it, they would have known it was illegal and at the end of the day its up to Libya's judicial system to issue a verdict ........... it's not a matter for the EU or the US to decide or impose on us !"

Also here "if" is a conditional statement if you didn't know !

You said :
""the infections stopped after the nurses' arrest"? Do they take as truth every single statement of the Q-man's propaganda, or just this one, because it serves well their irrational hatred towards the Bulgarian nurses?"

I don't need to read propaganda because as I said you ( are you blind by the way ? ) I was there and my sister was in the hospital at the time and I know more of the case than you will ever know from any news source ! I said it here if you didn't bother to read it :

"As for the AID's epidemic as I pointed out before, the children weren't born with the infection and I have asked Italian microbiologists who were working for the EU in Libya and who are familiar with the case about it's details and the relevance of the academic work in the field related to this outbreak and they told me that the infection was deliberate and not due to hygiene. My sister was also admitted to the hospital in question at the time of the outbreak; but she wasn't infected because she wasn't admitted to the ward the nurses were in and I was living in Benghazi at the time and being the social people we are I regularly visit relative from my tribe, and the hospital in question was among the cleanest; because it was a children's hospital so again why wasn't there an outbreak in the other hospitals in that city or in any other city for that matter if it was a question of hygiene ? With regards to how AID's is passed on I am familiar with it and have read papers on this case and I agree with everyone else who disagrees with you and Maya on this matter as you already know from your countless arguments with everyone else on this matter.
"


salaam and I'll get back to the other hypocrite later, but at most I'll just repost my initial statements like I did with you given he obviously didn't read it.

Maya M said...

Perhaps somebody has mentioned that I'm writing about PH and Leandra in 3rd person. This is because I am not turning to them, it would be to no avail. Verbal communication has its limits, it works only when the two sides don't differ in their views too much. When they do, they are alien minds to each other, they can learn nothing from each other and every attempt to communicate will quickly turn into exchange of adjectives.
Why the difference is so big: Because I belong to the Western civilization while PH and Leandra hate it. Let me cite the very first PH's post:
"The reason behind western civilization's dominance in the world... is more a result of geographical location ( fertility and water ) rather than genetic superiority as some advocates of western civilisation would have us believe" (http://anarabscontemplations.blogspot.com/2007/05/guns-germs-and-steel.html).
What I dislike most in this text is that PH doesn't dare to look the enemy into the face. Instead of trying and refuting the superiority of the real Western civilization, he constructs a strawman and fights this strawman. Who are the "advocates of western civilization" allegedly claiming genetic superiority? Why not give a link or two? And preferably not to some skinhead's blog!
About Leandra - here is a quote from her April 16 post devoted to the massacre at Virginia Tech:
"Until now almost 12 hours after it, the police still has no information about anything. It’s insane!...How come Mr. Charles W. Steger, the president of the university, goes to a national TV, on CNN, and says that it was impossible to take all the students out of the campus and he assumed that the police didn’t take any measures after two people were killed because they thought that the killer wasn’t in the campus anymore. Oh God, it’s so naïve!!!...I’m sure that if the killer were an Arab man, for sure the police of the USA would have all the possible information about him and not saying that they can’t identify a man who killed 32 people and himself inside a classroom of a very respectable university because “he didn’t bring any ID on his pockets”!"
I couldn't find common language with a person who uses a tragedy like this to exercise her anti-Americanism.

PH said...

@ Maya :

Again you are Lying Maya and only quoting segments of what I said, I said :

"This book argues that the reason behind western civilization's dominance in the world right now is a "luck of a draw" as stephen colbert says :P, and is more a result of geographical location ( fertility and water ) rather than genetic superiority as some advocates of western civilisation would have us believe."

I said the book argues, i.e. its author makes that argument and proves it, or at least attempts to, in his book. By the way the author is an American I think thats part of the Western world right you liar !

you should read your own statements and your own blog before you go scourging through mine I'm not as evil and hateful as you !


salaam again :P
looooooooooooooooooooool this is getting too easy .

Maya M said...

I've read earlier about those Italian microbiologists with whom PH discussed the case.
I haven't been there, haven't heard anything. I've read in PubMed what other Italian researchers have written with their names on it.
I don't want to rush to call PH a liar, but what he wrote just doesn't make sense.
Perhaps there was a misunderstanding? Both sides most likely spoke in a foreign language.
Or the Italians thought he was somebody sent to try them? In Libya, they could hardly be expected to say to a stranger, "This theory of intentional infection doesn't hold water, Qaddafi needs scapegoats."
Why didn't the Libyan prosecution call these so kind Italian doctors as experts to testify, instead of calling other experts who made such inconvenient conclusions?
About PH's claim that he knows much about the case because he has been at the hospital - this is, to my opinion, not too convincing.
Thousands of parents at both sides of the Atlantic are convinced that vaccines have made their children autistic. They, similarly to PH and a number of Benghazeeans, have "the evidence of their own eyes". This doesn't make it true. As a physician commented, "Scientists have been contradicting the evidence of people's senses - and of common sense - ever since Galileo advanced the heretical, and counterintuitive, view that the Earth revolved around the sun" (http://www.spiked-online.com/Printable/0000000CAE57.htm).
PH says that the hospital has been "clean". But he couldn't see whether the needles and syringes are sterile! Or he can see HIV with his naked eye? When people talk about poor hygiene at a hospital, they don't necessarily mean feces smeared on the floor.
PH evidently likes using adjectives. I don't mind it too much, but generally I prefer arguments.

Maya M said...

I begin to looooooove this discussion with PH.
It is clear that I need, instead of quoting his first post, to copy-past it entirely:
"This book argues that the reason behind western civilization's dominance in the world right now is a "luck of a draw" as stephen colbert says :P, and is more a result of geographical location ( fertility and water ) rather than genetic superiority as some advocates of western civilisation would have us believe. Which is a theory I have always held, that and the fact that they won the second world war, so for those interested it's a recommended reading. Here is a link to the book's website, and below is an interview with the author."
Now, let me quote again: "This is a theory I have always held."
This "I" seems to refer to PH.
About me being evil and hateful - I am not going to dispute it, I think I haven't claimed the opposite, not on this thread at least.

Suliman said...

I guess someone needs to put on a "strong face," maybe some good boots too, and wade into this spectacle. OK, that will be me! I don't really mind a good debate as long as people are using sharp instruments. But now everyone is getting emotional and losing their sharp edge.

Since everyone has had a chance, more than one in fact, to state their views, and since I don't really see any opinions being swayed one way or the other, what's the point of continuing? I don't know what Anglo thinks, but I hope the combatants realize that his silence may be because he is too shy to get in the middle. Guys: do what you want, but think a little about the discomfort this might be bringing to Anglo.

Anglo-Libyan said...

I would just like to say that I do respect everyones view, even if I dont agree with it.
PH, PC & Maya M are all regulars on my blog that I enjoy and respect their views and are always welcome here. I myself like many others, think any debate is healthy but as Suliman mentioned, I did feel a bit uncomfortable and would much appreciate it if we all cooled down.
Leandra & buj are people that visit this blog and I have a lot of respect to them just like the rest you, I do understand that some dont agree with what has been said but I always appreciate that we all never insult eachother.

PH said...

@ Anglo :

even though I was going to reply but given your interjection I'll refrain .

"Leandra & buj are people that visit this blog and I have a lot of respect to them just like the rest you, I do understand that some dont agree with what has been said but I always appreciate that we all never insult eachother."

I totally agree with you Anglo and I'm sorry again for the nasty turn of events ...... I would also like to apologize to Suliman and the other readers if I in anyway offended them or disturbed their visit here and especially to Buj if linking to his site caused him any offense .....

salaam

PH said...

Sorry Anglo there is one more thing I forgot to clarify, with regards to the links I provided in my second comment relating to the abduction of foreign citizens ( here they are again first, second ) just in case any other readers didn't follow the links. They were long before the war on terror and have nothing to do with it, the first one describes the abduction of two Mexican citizens by American police and denied consular rights and the second one provides references to a court ruling by the International Court of Justice against such actions. Here are excerpts from both links for those who don't want to click them :

from the first :

"In June 1989, Texas police officers kidnapped Mexican nationals Hector Morales Villa and Omar Ayala Mendoza in Palau, Coahuila, and transported them across the border to face capital murder charges in Port Arthur, Texas. Neither was advised of his rights under article 36 of the Vienna Convention.
The Mexican Consulate in Houston learned of the case shortly after the arrest and immediately contacted defense counsel. Over the next several months, consular officers assisted attorneys in preparing a writ of habeas corpus challenging the defendants' confinement under the Mexico-U. S. Extradition Treaty. The government of Mexico formally protested the illegal capture of both defendants in a diplomatic note filed with the U. S. Department of State, and also started criminal proceedings against the police officers who participated in the kidnapping."


from the second :

"The International Court of Justice today affirmed the importance of protecting the rights of foreign citizens prosecuted in the United States, Human Rights Watch said. The court ruled against the United States in a case brought by Mexico concerning the U.S. failure to inform 54 Mexicans arrested on capital charges of their right to talk to their consular officials.
The right to consular notification and assistance is required by the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. This right enables governments' officials to provide assistance, including legal counsel, to help ensure fair proceedings for their citizens who may be at a disadvantage in criminal proceedings in foreign countries.

Mexico contended that these citizens had been tried, convicted and sentenced to death without being properly informed of their Vienna Convention rights in the United States, which is one of 168 countries party to the treaty. Mexico argued that timely consular help could have protected the defendants' due process rights. Although the original claim related to 54 Mexicans, at the time of the court's ruling, only 52 individual cases were remained at issue. "


I'm sorry for that, but given that some readers don't follow the links I think it was necessary to clarify it .

Salaam Anglo and sorry again :).

programmer craig said...

Maya, I agree with you. It's pretty obvious that most of the world agrees with you.

I did a google search on "Bulgarian nurses: :

http://www.google.com/search?q=Bulgarian+nurses&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=psr&start=10&sa=N

I haven't been able to find a single article that supports the Libyan position.

An example of what I did find:

http://allafrica.com/stories/200707240733.html

"We are relieved that the nurses' and medic's imprisonment is over. But this is really an outrageous case, in which the lives of these nurses and medic were literally ransomed for $400 million. Human rights, civil rights, and scientific evidence were completely ignored. There is nothing to prevent the future scapegoating of foreign health workers and holding them hostage in exchange for foreign aid," said Susannah Sirkin, PHR Deputy Director. She added, "As an organization of health care professionals, we are sensitive to the suffering of the infected children and are pleased to hear that the children will continue to receive high quality medical care, but the treatment of the health workers is a disgrace that entailed serious violations of human rights and flouted scientific evidence."

The French have evidentally agreed to send Medical professionals to Libya for the next 5 years. I think that is insane. Libya got 400 million dollars, a nuclear reactor (from France) and normalized relations with the EU for these Bulgarian nurses. What will Libya expect to get when it scapegoats a dozen French physicians?

Anyway...

PH, I skipped your comments. I'm going to follow Maya's advice and just say that I don't agree with you, and I have no interest in discussing this (or anything else) with you, as I think you are hopelessly biased and have a closed mind.

Maya M said...

I am sorry if I have brought discomfort to Anglo and his readers. And if an opponent of mine feels that I have unduly had the last word in saying offensive things before Suliman and Anglo restored order, he is invited to say whatever he wants to on my blog.

Tariq said...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/29/weekinreview/29rosenthal.html?ref=weekinreview


"Quiet. Libya Has an AIDS Problem" is the title of the article in Week in Review section in New York Times on Sunday Issue.


MusicLover

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